It’s definitely not worth it.
Zuckerberg is the bigger fish here, at least within the social media domain.
Meta’s threads replacing Twitter would make them even more powerful than they already are.
I don’t like Elon, and it’s crazy that he somehow managed to make Twitter even worse than it was, but we really don’t need Meta to grow even larger.
Yeah exactly. Once the Zucc also reaches out for Tumblr, the last bastion of “Ugh, we don’t want Corpos here”, we’re done. We need to stop both Eloy and Zucc even before that. The Fediverse needs to fight an active war, we’re already living the Cyberpunk Dystopia.
Yeah, if we were still talking about the cage match of be fine watching that weird meat puppet beat musk up, but for social media I think we loose either way.
No, the correct answer is “fuck both of them”. You don’t need Twitter, you definitely don’t need Threads.
You don’t even need Mastodon for that matter. You don’t need a constant drip feed of dopamine. If you need to stay informed, you can just use news sites or something.
hmm, that’s a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
Meh, they just end up making it a series of posts / videos. If someone’s risking their life by doing shit like going into an active warzone and using social media to keep the public informed of what’s going on, doesn’t that probably count as “real” journalism, regardless of what online platform they upload to?
Meh, they just end up making it a series of posts / videos. If someone’s risking their life by doing shit like going into an active warzone and using social media to keep the public informed of what’s going on, doesn’t that probably count as “real” journalism, regardless of what online platform they upload to?
hmm, that’s a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
But… my dopamine… But serious, I think lemmy or in the before time reddit is already filling most of my media need already, it amazes me that people can use social media that much and don’t burn out.
Do you not know what analogies or metaphors are? Like, you do know that the person you replied to wasn’t comparing either of these men to Hitler or Himmler.
To exaggerate and make a point? To rile people up and ruffle some feathers? The comparison isn’t between the two of them and the two Nazis, the comparison is between the two of them.
Yeah, the implication is that their bad or evil, but I don’t really see it as comparing them to the Nazis. They just exaggerated for effect and used the most extreme example of “evil” they could think of to make a point.
Fair enough. Honestly both of them are rather irrelevant to me because I don’t use microblogging social media platforms, so I have no stake in the fight.
That’s a naive position. The fact that so many other people use those services means you will be made to care because of their influence on politics etc. Oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg having disproportionate control over the public discourse is a threat to you whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
I live in a Capitalist nation. The ultra-wealthy have held disproportionate control over mass media here for as long as it has existed, and ultimately whether Zuckerberg or Musk win their stupid competition over microblogging honestly won’t impact me one way or another. Obviously their right-wing beliefs impact me, and their messaging will generally make politics in the U.S. worse, but this is a genuinely a case where they’re both bad and I’m not sure who’s worse, so why take a side in the Threads vs. Twitter discourse when I use neither? I like Mastadon as an idea and I think it has good features, but microblogging generally does better with more centralization because it puts all of the influencers, celebrities, and politicians in one place, and normies seem to find Mastadon’s federation confusing, so it hasn’t taken off.
but why use threads when you could use mastodon? When threads enters the fediverse it is like the ad free version of threads (from a threads user perspective)
Agreed. Rationalizing one as being the ‘lesser evil’ is basically just shifting the Overton window. Both are evil. Both deserve to lose. If they can make each other lose that would be ideal but if only one wins, we all still lose.
It’s odd to me people think Elon is more evil anyway. He’s definitely louder and stupider but way less responsible for tearing apart the fabric of our society. And some of his projects have been a net positive.
They should both lose to death but if we’re gonna make the comparison, Zuckbot is hands down more evil.
That being said, it will still be hilarious if zucc beats the shit out of Elongated Muskrat.
True true!
Zuck was a catalyst for social media, and Elon for abused tech/science. I knew Elon was a joke the minute he talked about putting a car in space, just to test something, but back then I just got hated by reddit. It sucks that the world and space programs didn’t come after him for that.
I feel people like Musk and Trump are more dangerous in general.
Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates … etc. are the “traditional” billionaires. They are greedy but most of the time rational thus fairly predictable - you don’t expect them to do anything crazy.
Musk and Trump on the other hand are narcissists. They petty, vindictive, insecure, and have fragile egos. There is no telling what would set them off and how far they will go to get even over a perceived slight.
Fuck Elmo but I just don’t want Meta to replace Twitter’s social media niche. I would prefer if Mastodon would be the next “Twitter” but at this point I would be okay with Bluesky too. The Meta cancer is already big enough and has too much influence.
I’d rather have a moderated site replace Twitter at this point, even if it’s run by Meta. My first choice is for an intuitive non-Meta alternative to rise to prominence, ideally in the fediverse, but I think Mastodon had its chance and its unintuitive nature was too challenging for a critical mass of lay people. It needs to be: sign up, start posting. Instead it’s: sign up, choose your server. Huh? You’re already losing people.
All this has already been covered but it has to be simple and intuitive and that’s what Threads is offering and Mastodon isn’t.
I think everyone in the ActivityPub hopes Mastodon is the next Twitter but other than that, it’s a tie between the all three. I think Bluesky has the best chance since it has the cleanest plate but it’ll absolute turn into a shit hole like the rest.
What has the world come to when people actually think Zuckerberg is the lesser of two evils.
Musk is starting to look like a bit of an asshole, but Zuckerberg is the king of assholes.
Where would the EV market be without Musk buying Tesla? The Prius hybrid would probably still be the most electric thing on the market.
Where would private space exploration without his founding of SpaceX? We would still be waiting for the next US President to cancel their predecessor’s NASA plans and make new plans.
Where would be without Zuckerberg? Probably using a myspace clone with a lot more UI flexibility and crazy banner ads.
Musk put self-driving EV cars on the road and William Shatner in space. Zuckerberg convinced people to give them their data then monetized it and used that knowledge against them.
My opinion on that is that someone would’ve done what musk have money for at some point as well. All of those companies were mostly rehashed concepts that became viable due to faster computers, better materials, and better battery technology. I usually don’t say this about actual inventions made by scientists and engineers, but most of the time billionaires just provide a concept and daddy’s money and that really doesn’t take a lot of skills that I think are worth anything.
That is the thing though, everyone knew someone should be doing what Musk did but no one with real money actually was. Even if he is just the money and the direction and doesn’t help figure a single thing out, he is still the driving force.
Should he be necessary in a perfect society? Of course not. In the society we have though, he was instrumental in pointing Space Travel, EV, and to a lesser degree self-driving in the direction many people were hoping it would go.
The reality is that after he became wealthy enough for most people to want to retire he risked it all to do a couple of good things at an important time. Even if he only did it for the chance to make more money, I am still glad he did it.
The worst part is that they will ppv the fight and split the earnings. I personally don’t give a shit about this fight but know a ton of people will pay to watch these two fuckwads fight
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It’s definitely not worth it. Zuckerberg is the bigger fish here, at least within the social media domain. Meta’s threads replacing Twitter would make them even more powerful than they already are. I don’t like Elon, and it’s crazy that he somehow managed to make Twitter even worse than it was, but we really don’t need Meta to grow even larger.
Yeah exactly. Once the Zucc also reaches out for Tumblr, the last bastion of “Ugh, we don’t want Corpos here”, we’re done. We need to stop both Eloy and Zucc even before that. The Fediverse needs to fight an active war, we’re already living the Cyberpunk Dystopia.
Yeah, if we were still talking about the cage match of be fine watching that weird meat puppet beat musk up, but for social media I think we loose either way.
No, the correct answer is “fuck both of them”. You don’t need Twitter, you definitely don’t need Threads.
You don’t even need Mastodon for that matter. You don’t need a constant drip feed of dopamine. If you need to stay informed, you can just use news sites or something.
Content creators need them though, specially artists.
Tons of artists, specially japanese, are actually moving to mastodon and misskey right now, which is a great sign.
fair enough. that’s pretty dope ngl
Don’t they just use pixiv or booth or something
You need a more general platform to expand your audience
There are situations where lesser evil is the best available choice, but this isn’t one of them.
Yeah, exactly. Literally a “false dichotomy” moment.
Yeah, exactly. Literally a “false dichotomy” moment.
We need discourse. News sites are largely owned by rich men and corporations.
There are enough independent journalist networks out there, but they only inform, there is usually little to no capability for discourse, so yeah
hmm, that’s a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
You can’t make real journalism in a few hundred characters or in a 10 sec video. But there are lots of bloggers with their own websites.
Meh, they just end up making it a series of posts / videos. If someone’s risking their life by doing shit like going into an active warzone and using social media to keep the public informed of what’s going on, doesn’t that probably count as “real” journalism, regardless of what online platform they upload to?
Meh, they just end up making it a series of posts / videos. If someone’s risking their life by doing shit like going into an active warzone and using social media to keep the public informed of what’s going on, doesn’t that probably count as “real” journalism, regardless of what online platform they upload to?
hmm, that’s a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
But… my dopamine… But serious, I think lemmy or in the before time reddit is already filling most of my media need already, it amazes me that people can use social media that much and don’t burn out.
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I’m losing my mind!!! Ahhhhhhhhh people are so fucking stupid
Do you not know what analogies or metaphors are? Like, you do know that the person you replied to wasn’t comparing either of these men to Hitler or Himmler.
The usage of the analogy by definition implies a comparison of some kind.
Otherwise, wny use it?
To exaggerate and make a point? To rile people up and ruffle some feathers? The comparison isn’t between the two of them and the two Nazis, the comparison is between the two of them.
No no no, those are valid, sure, but they wouldn’t be possible without that initial comparison.
There’s the implication that they’re both “evil” or “bad figures”, which is the entire point. The analogy itself wouldn’t be that great otherwise
Yeah, the implication is that their bad or evil, but I don’t really see it as comparing them to the Nazis. They just exaggerated for effect and used the most extreme example of “evil” they could think of to make a point.
At least that how it seemed to me.
I‘d enjoy it if they both lose money/attention and more of it went to the devs and admins of all these instances I like. Unlikely, but I can dream.
Fair enough. Honestly both of them are rather irrelevant to me because I don’t use microblogging social media platforms, so I have no stake in the fight.
That’s a naive position. The fact that so many other people use those services means you will be made to care because of their influence on politics etc. Oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg having disproportionate control over the public discourse is a threat to you whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
I live in a Capitalist nation. The ultra-wealthy have held disproportionate control over mass media here for as long as it has existed, and ultimately whether Zuckerberg or Musk win their stupid competition over microblogging honestly won’t impact me one way or another. Obviously their right-wing beliefs impact me, and their messaging will generally make politics in the U.S. worse, but this is a genuinely a case where they’re both bad and I’m not sure who’s worse, so why take a side in the Threads vs. Twitter discourse when I use neither? I like Mastadon as an idea and I think it has good features, but microblogging generally does better with more centralization because it puts all of the influencers, celebrities, and politicians in one place, and normies seem to find Mastadon’s federation confusing, so it hasn’t taken off.
Right, they’re both awful. But that doesn’t mean they’re irrelevant to you. Unfortunately.
but why use threads when you could use mastodon? When threads enters the fediverse it is like the ad free version of threads (from a threads user perspective)
No. Meta needs to die.
As someone who never liked Facebook…not a particular fan if Zucker wins.
*poke
I don’t know how I feel about that. They both deserve to be treated like cartel criminals. NOTHING LESS.
You gotta realize criminals and street life is the same as the mainstream. Please trust me.
lmfao
Agreed. Rationalizing one as being the ‘lesser evil’ is basically just shifting the Overton window. Both are evil. Both deserve to lose. If they can make each other lose that would be ideal but if only one wins, we all still lose.
It’s odd to me people think Elon is more evil anyway. He’s definitely louder and stupider but way less responsible for tearing apart the fabric of our society. And some of his projects have been a net positive.
They should both lose to death but if we’re gonna make the comparison, Zuckbot is hands down more evil.
That being said, it will still be hilarious if zucc beats the shit out of Elongated Muskrat.
Agreed, I may have more of a gut level disdain for Elon, but Zucc is clearly way worse because of the way Facebook’s algorithms have harmed society.
That’s cause Elon’s a fucking troll on top of being a douchebag. At least Zuck has the decency to try to hide it.
True true! Zuck was a catalyst for social media, and Elon for abused tech/science. I knew Elon was a joke the minute he talked about putting a car in space, just to test something, but back then I just got hated by reddit. It sucks that the world and space programs didn’t come after him for that.
I feel people like Musk and Trump are more dangerous in general.
Zuckerberg, Bezos, Gates … etc. are the “traditional” billionaires. They are greedy but most of the time rational thus fairly predictable - you don’t expect them to do anything crazy.
Musk and Trump on the other hand are narcissists. They petty, vindictive, insecure, and have fragile egos. There is no telling what would set them off and how far they will go to get even over a perceived slight.
Fuck Elmo but I just don’t want Meta to replace Twitter’s social media niche. I would prefer if Mastodon would be the next “Twitter” but at this point I would be okay with Bluesky too. The Meta cancer is already big enough and has too much influence.
I’d rather have a moderated site replace Twitter at this point, even if it’s run by Meta. My first choice is for an intuitive non-Meta alternative to rise to prominence, ideally in the fediverse, but I think Mastodon had its chance and its unintuitive nature was too challenging for a critical mass of lay people. It needs to be: sign up, start posting. Instead it’s: sign up, choose your server. Huh? You’re already losing people.
All this has already been covered but it has to be simple and intuitive and that’s what Threads is offering and Mastodon isn’t.
Exactly this. Anything too challenging for a third-, grader is done before it starts in terms of mass acceptance.
yeah people are giving too much power to a single company.
Would you happen to have an invite code?
Yeah and one for a friend too?
I think everyone in the ActivityPub hopes Mastodon is the next Twitter but other than that, it’s a tie between the all three. I think Bluesky has the best chance since it has the cleanest plate but it’ll absolute turn into a shit hole like the rest.
Cohost would be cool.
Why use either?
Theres mastodon as a twitter replacement… lol
Why? I hate zuck even more. I hope they both crash & burn.
What has the world come to when people actually think Zuckerberg is the lesser of two evils.
Musk is starting to look like a bit of an asshole, but Zuckerberg is the king of assholes.
Where would the EV market be without Musk buying Tesla? The Prius hybrid would probably still be the most electric thing on the market.
Where would private space exploration without his founding of SpaceX? We would still be waiting for the next US President to cancel their predecessor’s NASA plans and make new plans.
Where would be without Zuckerberg? Probably using a myspace clone with a lot more UI flexibility and crazy banner ads.
Musk put self-driving EV cars on the road and William Shatner in space. Zuckerberg convinced people to give them their data then monetized it and used that knowledge against them.
My opinion on that is that someone would’ve done what musk have money for at some point as well. All of those companies were mostly rehashed concepts that became viable due to faster computers, better materials, and better battery technology. I usually don’t say this about actual inventions made by scientists and engineers, but most of the time billionaires just provide a concept and daddy’s money and that really doesn’t take a lot of skills that I think are worth anything.
Your “opinion” is just the regurgitation of a programmable monkey, playing back rage bait written by journalists on repeat.
That is the thing though, everyone knew someone should be doing what Musk did but no one with real money actually was. Even if he is just the money and the direction and doesn’t help figure a single thing out, he is still the driving force.
Should he be necessary in a perfect society? Of course not. In the society we have though, he was instrumental in pointing Space Travel, EV, and to a lesser degree self-driving in the direction many people were hoping it would go.
The reality is that after he became wealthy enough for most people to want to retire he risked it all to do a couple of good things at an important time. Even if he only did it for the chance to make more money, I am still glad he did it.
The worst part is that they will ppv the fight and split the earnings. I personally don’t give a shit about this fight but know a ton of people will pay to watch these two fuckwads fight
how about both twitter and threads die and the people win?
But then whose boot do we get to lick?
You can lick my boots. 😉
Are you a trillion dollar conglomerate? Didn’t think so
If you want to kick some boots, get a partner and lick theirs, or just lick your own.
I tried to lick my own boots but I fell off the couch.
Forgive me, but is the answer “Your mom’s”… ?