This sentiment is so fucking wrong. Please, for god’s sake, please understand that Zuckerberg is NOT the lesser of two evils here. Meta facilitated a genocide by artificially promoting hateful content to boost engagement, quietly and without obvious consent performed behavior experiments on its users, and so much fucking more that the two aforementioned points barely even scratch the surface.
You people are trading being punched in the face with being beaten senselessly with a baseball bat.
I would agree, I’m just pointing out the logical flaw.
In fact I’d argue Zuckerberg is worse, if only because he already owns so much of the digital landscape and most people use FB to federate with other stuff.
Elon is meme’d as being the big bad here but in reality he’s running his first website/social media company against a guy who essentially developed the modern model and already owns another massive SM site as well as his new Twitter clone experiment in addition to the foundational website he still possesses.
Why not both? Can’t we hope enough stuff leaves twitter to hasten it’s demise and that threads implodes after a short period of over inflated reports of success?
Fair enough. Honestly both of them are rather irrelevant to me because I don’t use microblogging social media platforms, so I have no stake in the fight.
That’s a naive position. The fact that so many other people use those services means you will be made to care because of their influence on politics etc. Oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg having disproportionate control over the public discourse is a threat to you whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
I live in a Capitalist nation. The ultra-wealthy have held disproportionate control over mass media here for as long as it has existed, and ultimately whether Zuckerberg or Musk win their stupid competition over microblogging honestly won’t impact me one way or another. Obviously their right-wing beliefs impact me, and their messaging will generally make politics in the U.S. worse, but this is a genuinely a case where they’re both bad and I’m not sure who’s worse, so why take a side in the Threads vs. Twitter discourse when I use neither? I like Mastadon as an idea and I think it has good features, but microblogging generally does better with more centralization because it puts all of the influencers, celebrities, and politicians in one place, and normies seem to find Mastadon’s federation confusing, so it hasn’t taken off.
The worst part is that they will ppv the fight and split the earnings. I personally don’t give a shit about this fight but know a ton of people will pay to watch these two fuckwads fight
Elon is fine in comparison; he’s far less of a problem than Meta is.
The platform at this point may as well already be doomed because of people like you.
Really - it’s like I’m reading the posts of Reddit manchildren who will forever retain their virginity because they’re incapable of understanding how things actually get done.
I guess you can’t expect much these days.
What’s going to happen next? Meta dominates the platform, you and the rest of your kind “protest”, then you fuck off somewhere else and pretend you “won”, while sucking each other off only for a repeat to happen sometime later?
True, but if we slowly move to foss alternatives like lemmy, peertube, mastodon and more(bonus points for self-hostability and federation across instances), it will be for the long term good, undoing the harm social media has done for decades. It will be like the forums and usenet era all over again
I look at threads as a net positive right now but I don’t trust it. I see only upsides and no downsides. In a free as in free beer market, this is either a loss leader, scam, or a tactic to get normies hooked and then cut off ties with the ActivityPub.
I wonder why you have that stance. Can you please explain?
It integrates with mastodon and other activitypub solutions(atleast as long as they’re not defederated en-masse like facebook is threatening) and caters to normies, essentially making activitypub mainstream. It might end up a “not like the other normies” hellhole like reddit, but the concept of federation makes me feel hopeful.
Control goes from big tech to small instance owners…
As for normies, control goes from big tech to big tech as a representative of celebrities on all instances
I wonder why you have that stance. Can you please explain?
I’ve already gone into this elsewhere. You’ll find it if you scroll through my comment history, which isn’t very long.
You can also read about the “enshittification” word that’s been trending, or how this dynamic is nothing new and how the outcome is predictable given events that happened a decade ago with Google and XMPP.
At some point, history just repeats itself. Meta is a fucking terrible company that offers no real benefit to humanity, and will only serve to make things worse.
People like Elon Musk, at the very least, provide narratives that are realistic about what we’re up against.
What people (apparently?) don’t realize is that Meta is aware of the political landscape, and they’re using that to their advantage.
They know that the left is so invested in their hatred of Musk that they’ll be welcomed by them, but what the left doesn’t realize is that Meta is a Trojan horse.
My opinion is that billionaires shouldn’t be billionaires - it should be a crime to have that much wealth.
That said, they obviously do have that much wealth; the world obviously works a certain way and you must accept that if you want to improve things in any real capacity.
People see some billionares die in a sub accident. Yes, it was their fault. Yes, it was incredibly fucking stupid. Yes, the father was a bastard for being so ludicrously careless that he killed himself and his own son.
But they die and we laugh about it and make fun of them because it makes us feel better about ourselves.
And that’s a weakness. It’s low - undignified and an aspect of the Internet and its humanity that should only be treated with scorn.
Then you have these people hating Spez and what he did to Reddit while literally promoting the exact same inevitable outcome for Lemmy by cheering Threads on.
Where is the coherency? There is none - it’s just mob outrage, and that level of incoherency is counter productive.
Slow down. I hear you, but we can just defederate with meta, right? Worst case we set up a new server with how we like stuff incase our server’s admins don’t want to
but we can just defederate with meta, right? Worst case we set up a new server with how we like stuff incase our server’s admins don’t want to
Not exactly. Technically that might be true, but what will probably happen is that Meta become so ubiquitos is that they’ll influence the landscape such that no one else will want to use a non-Meta instance; that’s their goal, after all.
If they could’ve, they would’ve. They(social platform companies) have shown time and time again that they can’t maintain it. (Facebook’s holding on somehow, that’s the only exception I know of)
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As someone who never liked Facebook…not a particular fan if Zucker wins.
*poke
This sentiment is so fucking wrong. Please, for god’s sake, please understand that Zuckerberg is NOT the lesser of two evils here. Meta facilitated a genocide by artificially promoting hateful content to boost engagement, quietly and without obvious consent performed behavior experiments on its users, and so much fucking more that the two aforementioned points barely even scratch the surface.
You people are trading being punched in the face with being beaten senselessly with a baseball bat.
Add cambridge analytica as well, it used to be all over the news but now everyone already forgot about it
Don’t you know, that was Facebook, this is Meta which is a completely different company that didn’t do these things /s
Lesser of two evils has never gotten us anything but evil.
this one isn’t even a lesser evil
I would agree, I’m just pointing out the logical flaw.
In fact I’d argue Zuckerberg is worse, if only because he already owns so much of the digital landscape and most people use FB to federate with other stuff.
Elon is meme’d as being the big bad here but in reality he’s running his first website/social media company against a guy who essentially developed the modern model and already owns another massive SM site as well as his new Twitter clone experiment in addition to the foundational website he still possesses.
Greater of two evils also doesn’t seem very successful.
I‘d enjoy it if they both lose money/attention and more of it went to the devs and admins of all these instances I like. Unlikely, but I can dream.
ngl, i’d rather twitter wins since it’s imploding already so it will hardly survive for much time after it beats threads down
Yeah there’s nobody taking the Zucc down a peg. Dudes a literal machine.
Why not both? Can’t we hope enough stuff leaves twitter to hasten it’s demise and that threads implodes after a short period of over inflated reports of success?
In the fight against one evil should we really join another evil to do that
No, but the satisfaction of Elon throwing a huge tantrum outweighs Zuckerberg making a successful app, for me
Fair enough. Honestly both of them are rather irrelevant to me because I don’t use microblogging social media platforms, so I have no stake in the fight.
That’s a naive position. The fact that so many other people use those services means you will be made to care because of their influence on politics etc. Oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg having disproportionate control over the public discourse is a threat to you whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
I live in a Capitalist nation. The ultra-wealthy have held disproportionate control over mass media here for as long as it has existed, and ultimately whether Zuckerberg or Musk win their stupid competition over microblogging honestly won’t impact me one way or another. Obviously their right-wing beliefs impact me, and their messaging will generally make politics in the U.S. worse, but this is a genuinely a case where they’re both bad and I’m not sure who’s worse, so why take a side in the Threads vs. Twitter discourse when I use neither? I like Mastadon as an idea and I think it has good features, but microblogging generally does better with more centralization because it puts all of the influencers, celebrities, and politicians in one place, and normies seem to find Mastadon’s federation confusing, so it hasn’t taken off.
Right, they’re both awful. But that doesn’t mean they’re irrelevant to you. Unfortunately.
The worst part is that they will ppv the fight and split the earnings. I personally don’t give a shit about this fight but know a ton of people will pay to watch these two fuckwads fight
Elon is fine in comparison; he’s far less of a problem than Meta is.
The platform at this point may as well already be doomed because of people like you.
Really - it’s like I’m reading the posts of Reddit manchildren who will forever retain their virginity because they’re incapable of understanding how things actually get done.
I guess you can’t expect much these days.
What’s going to happen next? Meta dominates the platform, you and the rest of your kind “protest”, then you fuck off somewhere else and pretend you “won”, while sucking each other off only for a repeat to happen sometime later?
Are you going to wear your fedoras?
I loathe both Musk simps and Zuck simps equally.
A pox on all of your houses.
I simp for neither - try again
I really don’t get the recent Elon hate. He has always done some shitty things, like labour issues and I have always called that on.
But free speech is a good ideal and it just screams of sjw controlling the narrative. That’s not a good thing, the hate is unjustified lately.
…have you not been keeping up with the news??
Not really.
Starship was really cool. That’s about all I have seen. Then he supports free speech which is a real good thing
He wants to fight Zuckerberg which is pretty lame but that’s post what I’m talking about
True, but if we slowly move to foss alternatives like lemmy, peertube, mastodon and more(bonus points for self-hostability and federation across instances), it will be for the long term good, undoing the harm social media has done for decades. It will be like the forums and usenet era all over again
I look at threads as a net positive right now but I don’t trust it. I see only upsides and no downsides. In a free as in free beer market, this is either a loss leader, scam, or a tactic to get normies hooked and then cut off ties with the ActivityPub.
It isn’t positive at all.
If you aren’t willing to understand why, I don’t know what else to say.
I wonder why you have that stance. Can you please explain?
It integrates with mastodon and other activitypub solutions(atleast as long as they’re not defederated en-masse like facebook is threatening) and caters to normies, essentially making activitypub mainstream. It might end up a “not like the other normies” hellhole like reddit, but the concept of federation makes me feel hopeful.
Control goes from big tech to small instance owners…
As for normies, control goes from big tech to big tech as a representative of celebrities on all instances
Some might even switch.
I’ve already gone into this elsewhere. You’ll find it if you scroll through my comment history, which isn’t very long.
You can also read about the “enshittification” word that’s been trending, or how this dynamic is nothing new and how the outcome is predictable given events that happened a decade ago with Google and XMPP.
At some point, history just repeats itself. Meta is a fucking terrible company that offers no real benefit to humanity, and will only serve to make things worse.
People like Elon Musk, at the very least, provide narratives that are realistic about what we’re up against.
What people (apparently?) don’t realize is that Meta is aware of the political landscape, and they’re using that to their advantage.
They know that the left is so invested in their hatred of Musk that they’ll be welcomed by them, but what the left doesn’t realize is that Meta is a Trojan horse.
My opinion is that billionaires shouldn’t be billionaires - it should be a crime to have that much wealth.
That said, they obviously do have that much wealth; the world obviously works a certain way and you must accept that if you want to improve things in any real capacity.
People see some billionares die in a sub accident. Yes, it was their fault. Yes, it was incredibly fucking stupid. Yes, the father was a bastard for being so ludicrously careless that he killed himself and his own son.
But they die and we laugh about it and make fun of them because it makes us feel better about ourselves.
And that’s a weakness. It’s low - undignified and an aspect of the Internet and its humanity that should only be treated with scorn.
Then you have these people hating Spez and what he did to Reddit while literally promoting the exact same inevitable outcome for Lemmy by cheering Threads on.
Where is the coherency? There is none - it’s just mob outrage, and that level of incoherency is counter productive.
Slow down. I hear you, but we can just defederate with meta, right? Worst case we set up a new server with how we like stuff incase our server’s admins don’t want to
Not exactly. Technically that might be true, but what will probably happen is that Meta become so ubiquitos is that they’ll influence the landscape such that no one else will want to use a non-Meta instance; that’s their goal, after all.
If they could’ve, they would’ve. They(social platform companies) have shown time and time again that they can’t maintain it. (Facebook’s holding on somehow, that’s the only exception I know of)
how about both twitter and threads die and the people win?
But then whose boot do we get to lick?
If you want to kick some boots, get a partner and lick theirs, or just lick your own.
I tried to lick my own boots but I fell off the couch.
You can lick my boots. 😉
Are you a trillion dollar conglomerate? Didn’t think so
Forgive me, but is the answer “Your mom’s”… ?
On one hand, competition is usually good for the end user.
On the other hand, we have such a better platform for users on the fediverse that I’m not really invested in what either of these weirdos do.
still don’t want zucc to win, tho
Don’t worry, both of them will loose.
The enemy of my enemy type stuff.
The sad existence of the Hater.