Honestly most people who use emulation probably own a copy of the games they emulate. It actually is possible to legally obtain a ROM or iso of a Nintendo game, despite how bad Nintendo wants you to believe it isn’t. You are allowed to back up software that you purchased. Do most people do it the legal way? Probably not. But effectively I think it’s all the same.
Wanna make money off your old games? Release an upgraded version. Put in the content that was left on the cutting room floor and up the resolution. Or just sell it as an emulator pack with the bare minimum requirements for it to function on the console like they did with 3D all Stars. People will probably still buy it.
It seems legally that the only way to legitimately have a rom is to rip it yourself. For example, I own 1943: Battle of Midway and Flying Shark arcade machines, but I would likely have to dump the roms myself to legally be able to play then via emulation.
I have ps1 and ps2 games that I have ripped the isos for, but I have c64, Atari, and nes games that I can’t dump without significant expense.
There’s a flip side to this that I’ve found; until recently I have never had any desire to buy a Switch, ‘There’s Mario Kart and that’s all’ is what I thought. Then I obtained a few Switch games to play on an emulator and ooh boy is the temptation real now. I’ve been playing Zelda (the newest one and my first Zelda game), Luigi’s Mansion and of course Mario Kart. Piracy has me sweating every time I see a Switch on sale.
It really is a great intro to how good the switch is. Even though I have a switch lite and it’s been good. Emulating the games I have on the steam deck with its slightly bigger screen has made me yearn for an OLED switch. Just imagining how much better Zelda and some other titles will look on it. It’s tempting and I wouldn’t have gotten there had I not been emulating
I’m almost convinced Nintendo wants to erase the legacy of PM:TYD. Like it’s definitely the game that took the most chances with the Mario universe, and in the Japanese version especially, it pushed the limits of what was acceptable in media at the time, and would probably be a difficult game to navigate rereleasing in today’s climate. Probably the same reasons we likely won’t see an official Mother 3 localization either.
In the American release, the other two ghost sisters just call her ugly a lot. In the OG Japanese, it was more explicit that they were actually misgendering her, iirc.
Bingo. The issue Nintendo faces is they’re going to anger someone depending on how they handle it. Like they faced backlash when they hinted that Shiver from Splatoon 3 might be nonbinary, and later clarified that she wasn’t. Same when they advertised that you selected your character’s appearance rather than gender in Pokemon Legends, Scarlett in Violet (despite the fact the characters are still referred to as men/women in game).
What complicates PMTYD and Mother 3 even more so is even though they include gender nonconforming characters, the way they are depicted in game aren’t exactly flattering by today’s standards. No matter how they decide to go about rereleasing these games they’re going to anger someone.
If nintendo keeps the PMTYD localization as is, or change Mother 3, it’s going to cause backlash because nintendo is more or less removing trans and gnc characters out of a game that originally had them. Likewise, if they decide to changePMTYD to include Vivi’s original trans plot, or release Mother 3 unchanged, They will facebacklash from people who take offense to LGBTQ people being in any form of media, especially in family entertainment which is Nintendo’s bread and butter. Even that aside, they might face backlash for how these characters are depicted and handled, because these were early 2000s games made by Japanese developers who used unflattering Japanese stereotypes for queer characters. Then you would have people who would want no changes to the localization because they just want to play the PMTYD from their childhood, and they would also be dragged into this complicated and heated debate.
Either way, Nintendo would be walking into a minefield no matter how they decide to release these games, and have probably elected to simply keep them vaulted. Maybe there will come a time where they will be able to rerelease/localize them with little controversy, but as things are right now, it’s a little dicey, especially for games they don’t even know will be profitable.
Agreed, but sadly to a profit driven company like Nintendo, they are still customers, and the anti LGBTQ lobby in the US is still very powerful, and they would definitely makes things miserable for Nintendo if they decided to go “lol, bigots stay mad XD”
You’re definitely seeing this with Disney, which has become the whipping boy of the republican party and are actively being legislated against due to their stance on LGBTQ inclusion. Nintendo being a foreign company who has a history of being targeted by conservatives in the past (as a video game company and a Japanese company) probably wants to avoid any controversy it can.
Aside from the dialogue being darker than the US localization, Vivi is trans in the Japanese PMTYD. I go into detail on what roadblocks nintendo faces rereleasing it and Mother 3 in a reply to @testfactor
Big Ninten doesn’t want you to play Paper Mario TTYD. You should be playing Origami King, it’s new and exciting while TTYD is old and obsolete. They are both Paper Mario, they are basically the same game anyway but only until we want to suggest it’s a brand new upgrade to the previous game
TTYD is one of my favorite games of all time and I made the mistake of playing Origami King.
It was a mix of disappointment, despair, resignation… I’ve truly never felt so insulted by a game. They stomped on my childlike joy and wonder like a vat of grapes in Napa Valley. Sickening
Because video game companies never relaunch franchises to capitalize on nostalgia. The mental gymnastics you people play to justify copyright infringement is amazing.
Nintendo isn’t making money off those games now. Might they have plans to relaunch older games on newer consoles in the future? What do you think? Crazy right.
History has shown that if you make it easy to access something, people will generally prefer to access it legally rather than using piracy, because most people are willing to pay for something if they have the option and if it’s relatively affordable. Trying to stop piracy doesn’t help sales, let alone hypothetical future sales, so trying to stop roms of older games won’t help them make more profit when they relaunch/re-release older games on newer consoles. So it’s still pointless. Not to mention that people playing those older games in the meantime keeps them in the public consciousness longer and so more people are likely to know about them, hear about them, and want to buy them when they’re available through official channels.
There was a point in time before HBO {Now,Max} where HBO was only available through a cable subscription add on. HBO shows were always the most pirated shows because of how difficult it was to watch, while avoiding spoilers. An old The Oatmeal comic sums up the experience best.
The real pain is that several sources seem to say that the Thousand Year Door is arguably the best Paper Mario. I missed out on it when it came out, so the only choice I have if I want to play it is to Monkey D. Luffy it. Which to be honest, I’ll probably do.
I assume there’s an old Japanese proverb for everything, and they are only used when you don’t want to do something, but is a more polite way than just saying “No” or “I’m not fixing that”
I literally had to look for a patched Chrono Trigger Rom with Spanish translations bcuz nor Square Enix, nor Nintendo ever released it with spanish dialogues in mind. Now my little sister is able to enjoy it, and it is always thanks to the community that Nintendo despise. So as always fuck Nintendo as a corporate and most important:
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Honestly most people who use emulation probably own a copy of the games they emulate. It actually is possible to legally obtain a ROM or iso of a Nintendo game, despite how bad Nintendo wants you to believe it isn’t. You are allowed to back up software that you purchased. Do most people do it the legal way? Probably not. But effectively I think it’s all the same.
Wanna make money off your old games? Release an upgraded version. Put in the content that was left on the cutting room floor and up the resolution. Or just sell it as an emulator pack with the bare minimum requirements for it to function on the console like they did with 3D all Stars. People will probably still buy it.
It seems legally that the only way to legitimately have a rom is to rip it yourself. For example, I own 1943: Battle of Midway and Flying Shark arcade machines, but I would likely have to dump the roms myself to legally be able to play then via emulation.
I have ps1 and ps2 games that I have ripped the isos for, but I have c64, Atari, and nes games that I can’t dump without significant expense.
This is true. I used to own a copy of a lot of PS2 games but emulated them because I sold my PS2 years ago
There’s a flip side to this that I’ve found; until recently I have never had any desire to buy a Switch, ‘There’s Mario Kart and that’s all’ is what I thought. Then I obtained a few Switch games to play on an emulator and ooh boy is the temptation real now. I’ve been playing Zelda (the newest one and my first Zelda game), Luigi’s Mansion and of course Mario Kart. Piracy has me sweating every time I see a Switch on sale.
It really is a great intro to how good the switch is. Even though I have a switch lite and it’s been good. Emulating the games I have on the steam deck with its slightly bigger screen has made me yearn for an OLED switch. Just imagining how much better Zelda and some other titles will look on it. It’s tempting and I wouldn’t have gotten there had I not been emulating
they dont really “lose” money regardless
they just dont gain money, which they could have gained… if emulation wasn’t super fucking easy and also fuck nintendo
You’re supposed to wait until they re-release it on a new console with the same graphics for $70, then pay for it then, dummy.
Todd Howard, is that you?
I’m almost convinced Nintendo wants to erase the legacy of PM:TYD. Like it’s definitely the game that took the most chances with the Mario universe, and in the Japanese version especially, it pushed the limits of what was acceptable in media at the time, and would probably be a difficult game to navigate rereleasing in today’s climate. Probably the same reasons we likely won’t see an official Mother 3 localization either.
Can you educate me on what the differences were with the Japanese version that made it push the limits?
They’re probably referring to Vivian being trans.
In the American release, the other two ghost sisters just call her ugly a lot. In the OG Japanese, it was more explicit that they were actually misgendering her, iirc.
Bingo. The issue Nintendo faces is they’re going to anger someone depending on how they handle it. Like they faced backlash when they hinted that Shiver from Splatoon 3 might be nonbinary, and later clarified that she wasn’t. Same when they advertised that you selected your character’s appearance rather than gender in Pokemon Legends, Scarlett in Violet (despite the fact the characters are still referred to as men/women in game).
What complicates PMTYD and Mother 3 even more so is even though they include gender nonconforming characters, the way they are depicted in game aren’t exactly flattering by today’s standards. No matter how they decide to go about rereleasing these games they’re going to anger someone.
If nintendo keeps the PMTYD localization as is, or change Mother 3, it’s going to cause backlash because nintendo is more or less removing trans and gnc characters out of a game that originally had them. Likewise, if they decide to changePMTYD to include Vivi’s original trans plot, or release Mother 3 unchanged, They will facebacklash from people who take offense to LGBTQ people being in any form of media, especially in family entertainment which is Nintendo’s bread and butter. Even that aside, they might face backlash for how these characters are depicted and handled, because these were early 2000s games made by Japanese developers who used unflattering Japanese stereotypes for queer characters. Then you would have people who would want no changes to the localization because they just want to play the PMTYD from their childhood, and they would also be dragged into this complicated and heated debate.
Either way, Nintendo would be walking into a minefield no matter how they decide to release these games, and have probably elected to simply keep them vaulted. Maybe there will come a time where they will be able to rerelease/localize them with little controversy, but as things are right now, it’s a little dicey, especially for games they don’t even know will be profitable.
I think it’s okay for people that take offense at LGBT in media to be mad, oh no, some bigots got angy? How about we ignore them like we should
Agreed, but sadly to a profit driven company like Nintendo, they are still customers, and the anti LGBTQ lobby in the US is still very powerful, and they would definitely makes things miserable for Nintendo if they decided to go “lol, bigots stay mad XD”
You’re definitely seeing this with Disney, which has become the whipping boy of the republican party and are actively being legislated against due to their stance on LGBTQ inclusion. Nintendo being a foreign company who has a history of being targeted by conservatives in the past (as a video game company and a Japanese company) probably wants to avoid any controversy it can.
Aside from the dialogue being darker than the US localization, Vivi is trans in the Japanese PMTYD. I go into detail on what roadblocks nintendo faces rereleasing it and Mother 3 in a reply to @testfactor
Second.
Big Ninten doesn’t want you to play Paper Mario TTYD. You should be playing Origami King, it’s new and exciting while TTYD is old and obsolete. They are both Paper Mario, they are basically the same game anyway but only until we want to suggest it’s a brand new upgrade to the previous game
TTYD is one of my favorite games of all time and I made the mistake of playing Origami King.
It was a mix of disappointment, despair, resignation… I’ve truly never felt so insulted by a game. They stomped on my childlike joy and wonder like a vat of grapes in Napa Valley. Sickening
More like “You’ll spend your money when we tell you to”
and for a lot of nintendo fantatics, they’ll line up and do just that.
because they don’t care about the greed, or exploitation, or anything else.
They just care about getting their next Mario/Zelda/Etc, at whatever price point Nintendo sets.
They don’t even lose money, they just don’t earn any.
Yup. And it wasn’t money they would have gotten anyway so big N gets mad about nothing.
As is tradition.
Because video game companies never relaunch franchises to capitalize on nostalgia. The mental gymnastics you people play to justify copyright infringement is amazing.
Nintendo isn’t making money off those games now. Might they have plans to relaunch older games on newer consoles in the future? What do you think? Crazy right.
I don’t need mental gymnastics. All I need are ROMs.
Found the bootlicker!
History has shown that if you make it easy to access something, people will generally prefer to access it legally rather than using piracy, because most people are willing to pay for something if they have the option and if it’s relatively affordable. Trying to stop piracy doesn’t help sales, let alone hypothetical future sales, so trying to stop roms of older games won’t help them make more profit when they relaunch/re-release older games on newer consoles. So it’s still pointless. Not to mention that people playing those older games in the meantime keeps them in the public consciousness longer and so more people are likely to know about them, hear about them, and want to buy them when they’re available through official channels.
There was a point in time before HBO {Now,Max} where HBO was only available through a cable subscription add on. HBO shows were always the most pirated shows because of how difficult it was to watch, while avoiding spoilers. An old The Oatmeal comic sums up the experience best.
Would buying used games also undermine their efforts to capitalize on relaunching a franchise?
That’s a good “what if” there, but no.
The games aren’t being sold anymore and so it’s not affecting Nintendo. Hence what’s the point?
They don’t even “lose money” in either scenario. They just don’t make new money.
Businesses consider those the same thing unfortunately :/
I’d argue they consider not making new money worse, losing money means tax write offs.
I used copies of old Nintendo games and they don’t get a single cut. I don’t see them shutting down those stores that sell them. Fuck Nintendo greed.
The argument is the suppression of titles is to control the brand. Its indirect nonsense.
The real pain is that several sources seem to say that the Thousand Year Door is arguably the best Paper Mario. I missed out on it when it came out, so the only choice I have if I want to play it is to Monkey D. Luffy it. Which to be honest, I’ll probably do.
Nintendo is run by old Japanese men who don’t understand technology. They still use faxes ffs when conducting business-critical decisions.
If you asked Shigeru Miyamoto “What is a ROM” he’s probably reply: “Is it 2.3cm Cashew San?”
You. Sound like a nice and smart person. Can you send me your 78 character friend code so I can enter it with a controller to add you?
Omg lmao yes this feature is so clunky and antiquated
If you don’t want to climb a mountain and part the sea for them, are you really friends with them? - Old Japanese dudes probably
I assume there’s an old Japanese proverb for everything, and they are only used when you don’t want to do something, but is a more polite way than just saying “No” or “I’m not fixing that”
NINTENDO REALLY SUCKS
NO I SUCK NINTENDO
🤣
I literally had to look for a patched Chrono Trigger Rom with Spanish translations bcuz nor Square Enix, nor Nintendo ever released it with spanish dialogues in mind. Now my little sister is able to enjoy it, and it is always thanks to the community that Nintendo despise. So as always fuck Nintendo as a corporate and most important:
I believe it does actually cut into profits, because they te release every popular game every X years