Am I the only one a bit confused as to what Threads has to do with Lemmy, beyond them both using ActivityPub…? Like, these are completely different kinds of websites, Lemmy is a Reddit clone and Threads is a Twitter clone. What purpose would federation serve?
Because they use ActivityPub, both of them can potentially interact with each other (post, viewing, following, liking, boosting, etc). There’s no way to stop Threads from being able to interact fully with Lemmy if it’s something Meta wanted to implement. Mastodon can already interact with Lemmy directly by following communities, posting to communities, and interact with posts/comments. Lemmy doesn’t go the other way though because it isn’t implemented, but it could be.
Any ActivityPub software/platform/website can interact with any other ActivityPub software/platform/website if it so wants to, because the backend of things like posts/comments/communities/etc are the same across every single platform if they choose to implement them, the difference between the ActivityPub platforms is how they choose to show you information and how you interact with it.
For a non-tech answer, it’s basically the “language” used between these websites to make them talk to each other.
If a website uses ActivityPub, it can fetch information (and send information) to other sites that are using ActivityPub in a specific way that’s designed for social media.
Another example of this would be SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol) which is what e-mail uses so that different e-mail servers (outlook, yahoo, gmail, etc) can all talk to each other seamlessly.
Technically, communities/magazines aren’t an activitypub thing. The way it’s implemented, Mastodon (for example) sees a community as just another user.
A post in that community looks like a “toot” from the community user. Comments in that thread look like replies to the toot.
They are actually, communities are ActivityPub groups, the issue is that Mastodon does not implement groups (but it is soon!), so what the Lemmy group has to do is boost all the posts/comments so that people can see them in Mastodon.
Once Mastodon gets groups though, the experience should be much better.
I am proud of Lemmy.ml for defederating. The second I find out if kbin social or lemmy world defederate or not I will just move to the other one since I use both.
(Edit turns out Lemmy.ml is run by Tankies and also allows federation with lemmygrad.)
Lemm.ee is another big-ish general purpose instance that looks to be in favour of preemptively defederating after some polling and discussion there today, in case Kbin.social and lemmy.world continue to stay silent.
I will have to check that out. I tried lemmy.ml but found out it is run by tankies. So I deleted my account there. Lemmy.world are trying a wait and see approach which I think is a bit naive giving metas reputation. But at least they are against Tankies. As for kbin.social I have given the dev the benifit of a doubt since it is one person who works hard on kbin and most likely has not had time to comment on meta. I have faith that he will do the right thing and defederate from meta.
Tankies is a word that better suits them imo. I consider myself a socialist, but those guy are fucking defending the CCP (chinese comunist party) and are very trigger happy with the banning switch. So yeah, i dont think this is a win but more like bussines as usual.
That works for me as well… and most of lemmygrad.ml, but no one ever visits that place, people just talk smack about it based on a few users and posts 🤷.
Exactly. This is why federation is cool. The individual can choose where to go. Oh, kbin and lemmy.world, you didn’t defederate from the corporate shills? OK then, I shall defederate myself from you. Plenty of instances.
Uh, wouldnt this make more sense for mastodon instances to defed? Can we even see mastodon posts on lemmy? I know they can post here, but its always like a lost in translation weird post.
I thought it’s cause they didn’t want it to be flooded/overrun by the massive amount of posts from threads. let’s face it, threads is going to have a waaaaay bigger userbase. I mean shit, it already does if Instagram accounts automatically have a threads account.
People left reddit because reddit started charging for data access, and not the same people say they don’t want others to have access to their public data.
It’s a false sense of privacy though. Lemmy.world is wide open for crawling by search engines. If that’s what you’re after, Lemmy would have to do what Musk temporarily did when he controversially moved Twitter behind an auth wall.
I think it’s got less to do with whatever is posted online and it’s more about the under the hood stuff like what devices you decide to use, what networks are being used to access their services, what contacts they have, and other shit like that.
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Fuck yeah
It would be even greater if lemmy.world does it ;)
Make a poll, let the admins realize that their users don’t want to federate with Meta.
We did yesterday, right?
Link?
I hope we do. And if we don’t, I hope other instances block us.
mastodon.world has decided not to, so I don’t think we will.
Thats very sad for the fediverse. RIP lemmy and mastodon.world.
Welp.
Am I the only one a bit confused as to what Threads has to do with Lemmy, beyond them both using ActivityPub…? Like, these are completely different kinds of websites, Lemmy is a Reddit clone and Threads is a Twitter clone. What purpose would federation serve?
Because they use ActivityPub, both of them can potentially interact with each other (post, viewing, following, liking, boosting, etc). There’s no way to stop Threads from being able to interact fully with Lemmy if it’s something Meta wanted to implement. Mastodon can already interact with Lemmy directly by following communities, posting to communities, and interact with posts/comments. Lemmy doesn’t go the other way though because it isn’t implemented, but it could be.
Any ActivityPub software/platform/website can interact with any other ActivityPub software/platform/website if it so wants to, because the backend of things like posts/comments/communities/etc are the same across every single platform if they choose to implement them, the difference between the ActivityPub platforms is how they choose to show you information and how you interact with it.
Edit: Made a few edits for clarification.
what’s Activity Pub? you’re the first person to teach me that name
For a non-tech answer, it’s basically the “language” used between these websites to make them talk to each other.
If a website uses ActivityPub, it can fetch information (and send information) to other sites that are using ActivityPub in a specific way that’s designed for social media.
Another example of this would be SMTP (simple mail transfer protocol) which is what e-mail uses so that different e-mail servers (outlook, yahoo, gmail, etc) can all talk to each other seamlessly.
Technically, communities/magazines aren’t an activitypub thing. The way it’s implemented, Mastodon (for example) sees a community as just another user.
A post in that community looks like a “toot” from the community user. Comments in that thread look like replies to the toot.
They are actually, communities are ActivityPub groups, the issue is that Mastodon does not implement groups (but it is soon!), so what the Lemmy group has to do is boost all the posts/comments so that people can see them in Mastodon.
Once Mastodon gets groups though, the experience should be much better.
I had no idea! Thanks for the correction
How can I block threads on my own server? I simply add
threads.netto my “Blocked Instances”?I am proud of Lemmy.ml for defederating. The second I find out if kbin social or lemmy world defederate or not I will just move to the other one since I use both. (Edit turns out Lemmy.ml is run by Tankies and also allows federation with lemmygrad.)
Lemm.ee is another big-ish general purpose instance that looks to be in favour of preemptively defederating after some polling and discussion there today, in case Kbin.social and lemmy.world continue to stay silent.
I will have to check that out. I tried lemmy.ml but found out it is run by tankies. So I deleted my account there. Lemmy.world are trying a wait and see approach which I think is a bit naive giving metas reputation. But at least they are against Tankies. As for kbin.social I have given the dev the benifit of a doubt since it is one person who works hard on kbin and most likely has not had time to comment on meta. I have faith that he will do the right thing and defederate from meta.
The admins/devs are communists, they hate anything corporate related, so it’s no surprise.
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Care to explain in more detail? Or are you going to just leave that low effort diss and ghost?
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You are so intelligent that you didn’t realize I’m not the same person who made the original comment.
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I love this, feels just like reddit hahaha
Explain what?Sorry, though the reply was directed at me.
Tankies is a word that better suits them imo. I consider myself a socialist, but those guy are fucking defending the CCP (chinese comunist party) and are very trigger happy with the banning switch. So yeah, i dont think this is a win but more like bussines as usual.
You’ve obviously never spent any time in lemmygrad.ml.
Based
Based
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y not a lil bit of commie, lil bit of demo, demo-commie
That works for me as well… and most of lemmygrad.ml, but no one ever visits that place, people just talk smack about it based on a few users and posts 🤷.
Exactly. This is why federation is cool. The individual can choose where to go. Oh, kbin and lemmy.world, you didn’t defederate from the corporate shills? OK then, I shall defederate myself from you. Plenty of instances.
As a paid up lemmy.ml annual subscriber, I support this and am very happy with my choice. Good job guys.
As a paid up lemmy.ml annual subscriber, I support this and am very happy with my choice. Good job guys.
Dementia is hard
I mean this is probably a joke, but it’s not really their fault, their client is likely malfunctioning.
He paid for a server upgrade, he’s gonna get his money’s worth.
As a paid up lemmy.ml annual subscriber, I support this and am very happy with my choice. Good job guys.
Excellent news!
Interesting
I am so in love with Lemmy right now.
Woah there, keep it in your pants Fapper!
Good call, guys. No more Zuck.
HARD agree. Let’s make this happen!
My instance as well as the other Lemmy and Mastodon instances on this list have blocked Threads.
As a Mastodon instance admin that did the blocking properly only yesterday, I can tell you this list appears to be automated and accurate.
Its a .net? Is that going to be a more expensive top level domain now?
the new/old .io
Thanks to the admins!
Forgive my ignorance but how is Threads part of the fediverse? How did .ml defederate it?
Preemptively is the word
Uh, wouldnt this make more sense for mastodon instances to defed? Can we even see mastodon posts on lemmy? I know they can post here, but its always like a lost in translation weird post.
They don’t want Facebook to be able to pull data from Lemmy.ml
I thought it’s cause they didn’t want it to be flooded/overrun by the massive amount of posts from threads. let’s face it, threads is going to have a waaaaay bigger userbase. I mean shit, it already does if Instagram accounts automatically have a threads account.
People left reddit because reddit started charging for data access, and not the same people say they don’t want others to have access to their public data.
It’s a false sense of privacy though. Lemmy.world is wide open for crawling by search engines. If that’s what you’re after, Lemmy would have to do what Musk temporarily did when he controversially moved Twitter behind an auth wall.
I think it’s got less to do with whatever is posted online and it’s more about the under the hood stuff like what devices you decide to use, what networks are being used to access their services, what contacts they have, and other shit like that.
Ah, interesting. Now I’m wondering how much metadata is being shared.
link
{“@context”: “https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams”, “type”: “Create”, “id”: “https://social.example/alyssa/posts/9282e9cc-14d0-42b3-a758-d6aeca6c876b”, “to”: [“https://social.example/alyssa/followers/”, “https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public”], “actor”: “https://social.example/alyssa/”, “object”: {“type”: “Note”, “id”: “https://social.example/alyssa/posts/d18c55d4-8a63-4181-9745-4e6cf7938fa1”, “attributedTo”: “https://social.example/alyssa/”, “to”: [“https://social.example/alyssa/followers/”, “https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public”], “content”: “Lending books to friends is nice. Getting them back is even nicer! :)”}}
Threads announced they are going to open up an activitypub interface to federate
Good