No, nutomic started by ignoring the actual question that was asked and instead starting an ideological argument with a bad faith question. You might say that OP shouldn’t have taken the bait, but this was not started by them
I’m not sure how this is hate speech from nutomic? They’re not necessarily saying anything bad about trans people as far as I can see, only that the bourgeoisie have nothing to do with it? Or what am I missing here
Honestly tankies are the hardest political group for me to understand. I disagree with right wing shitheads but I get the core underpinnings even if they’re heinous. Tankies glorify unambiguously evil people for reasons I cannot understand. It is truly detached from reality, as are they when you bring up things like Tienaman Square
They’re Soviet conservatives. So they have all the shit takes conservatives in the US have, they just hate the US instead Iran or whoever the US hates today.
The US has been the grand champion of capitalism. That is a fair criticism to level against us. Its a criticism most of us share. We’ve done some fucked up shit and acted as a force multiplier making smaller conflicts into bigger conflicts with more killing and more suffering. We do this less because our politicians believe in doing the right thing and more because it maintains to neocolonial status quo. Where I draw the line with tankies though is that they are ALSO engaging in force multiplying neocolonialism. Russia is invading Ukraine right now because Putin is big mad about losing control of soviet colonial holdings. What I advocate for is a dismantling of both US capitalist colonialism AND Soviet Bolshevik colonialism. You can’t be a tanky and Anticolonial, too
I think it has to do with complete distrust in western news and government (WNG). They can discount anything WNG says; especially when, it goes against their belief that the US is bad.
I believe we live in the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever developed but the folks who are a part of it mostly don’t lie. They’ve got the same problem the tankies have but reversed. The folks who work in WNG believe the US is good. They naturally distrust and minimize any info that would conflict with their beliefs.
There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance.
The only way I can navigate my belief in the fundamental inaccuracy of information is acknowledging it and accepting I don’t have enough info to be certain a lot of the time.
So picture a political compass. “The right” think they’re in a corner marked as pro corporations/pro individual freedom, but are actually not quite there given their desire for government to control other people
Most of “the left” are anti-corporate more or less and disagree on individual freedom.
Tankies are pseudo-intellectual nuts. They are orthogonal to the political compass
But even more so, IF the bourgeoisie were promoting pro-trans stuff. It would NOT be suprising that the bourgeoisie would ALSO be promoting anti-trans stuff. It fans the flame of this “culture war”which according to communist theory, would distract people from realising the “true divide” in society is class, and workers to unite.
TLDR: He’s clearly a conservative of some sort because his logic is incompatible with communist theory.
This is in fact what Russian bot factories are actually doing. And not just around trans activism, but around everything they can use to increase hatred and decrease social cohesion in the west. Here’s one source that talks about this problem: https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293
They’re doing it pretty well. As a practical example, a lot of the discussion revolving around this topic is powerfully pushing me towards distrusting trans activists, and somewhat towards distrusting trans people in general. There’s something deeply irritating about the fundamentalism of it all – it reminds me of the kind of religiosity that we had to fight against a lot in the 1900s and of course earlier.
I need to remind myself constantly in these threads that trans rights are human rights and that it’s the discussion that’s fucked, not the people.
Those threads are generally embarrasing already when they’re happening, but especially in hindsight – nevertheless here’s one recent one I greatly enjoyed having https://sopuli.xyz/post/15328469/10919769
then I ought to accept an unexpected man or two deep inside the conceptual boundaries of what would normally be considered female if it’ll save someone’s life.
I think the confusion (in my case) is that even though I think male and female are well-defined concepts based on biology, this fact does not preclude doing something special for the benefit of the remaining 1% who don’t fit the definition. And it also doesn’t preclude having a sexual identity that differs from the biological ones.
So I don’t understand the leap from what I’m saying to accusing me of being transphobic, and by extension, evil in a somewhat religious sense. This is where it seems to me that the discussion is fucked.
And the accusation of being anti-scientific I thought was just wrong, but that’s fine.
Puts transphobes in quotation marks, bans everything he considers “sinophobia” even if you just mention literal policy in china. why are tankies so weird about so much stuff
Don’t equate authoritarianism with mental disorders or disabilities. Authoritarians love targeting the disabled and it has nothing to do with it. People being miseducated, propagandized, and their insecurities leading them to want authoritarians in control has nothing to do with mental disorders
I really mean it though. Authoritarianism is a trauma response to being abused as a child. Our brains when raised in an authoritarian household that punishes us through physical violence like spanking becomes much more likely to seek authority from positions of power in adulthood, and if there becomes a power vaccuum or a shift away from top down authority, we transform ourselves from the follower to the leader. Whether or not authoritarians victimize people with mental disorders and disabilities is immaterial. They victimize every single group they can marginalize because they were ultimately empty from the childhood trauma that they’ve glossed over and turned into a positive aspect of their upbringing. Anytime you hear “my parents spanked me, and I turned out find” you are hearing a twisted mind grappling with an extreme trauma and justifying the shitty person they’ve become because if they don’t, it means they haven’t survived their core trauma yet
freudianism is pseudoscience, as is most discourse around “child traumas” (spanking = trauma? really? that’s absurd concept creep). Just look at the recovered memory movement.
While it often took weeks or months, by all accounts, the therapists were remarkably successful at convincing patients that their minds had hidden horrible abuse memories.
because childhood memories remain in the liminal period of awareness, you can convince yourself that personality is built on childhood experiences. It’s an insane tabula rasa and simply not true.
wants strong government = beaten as a child is a terrible pop-sci take, exactly the same as chuds saying all gay men were molested as children
Please stop. Anything can be traumatic. Two people can have the same experience; one receives trauma and another does not. You likely know people who have trauma from parental violence. This isn’t rhetorical, the things you say affect people.
Yes. Fruedianism is psuedoscience. That’s why I’d never deal in it.
Saying childhood traumas don’t shape us is fucking embarrassing when you’re trying to present yourself as being in the know
Saying spanking isn’t traumatic makes me think I don’t even have to deal with the rest of what you say
Yes. Recovered memory is a bunch of bunked up bullshit. Again. I’d never deal in it. You really are focused on tearing down what I’m saying based on shit I never said
Yo, you think fucking cihldhood memories end when you start having more awareness? We’re talking about the entire lived experience of being a child in an adults household. That shit ends when you leave for college. Again. You’re really focused on saying I’m saying something I’m not saying, so actually, genuinely, fuck off.
Saying this is a pop-sci take is probably the only real thing you said in all this. And there’s a difference between “wants a strong government” and “wants a dictator” and that’s what I was addressing. I’ll drop some links and let people coming across this decide which of us is basing what they’re saying off current understandings of how brains work
But this isn’t the first or last time the lemmy devs go off the deep end. Come check out [email protected] for a whole range of extremism the developers actively endorse and encourage
Classical Marxist/Lenninism is specifically not intersectional. They’ll use race as a lever against capitalism but deny race as a social problem they must specifically intervene on. But it’s also stupid to adopt. There’s a reason TERFs are often fascist adjacent.
I think it’s like saying that Marxism isn’t… let’s say, Nietzschean. Those are two ways of looking into problems. In some points, they’ll coincide; in others, they won’t. I’m bad at analogies. Anyway, if you’re a Nietzschean (in this case, if you believe intersectionality is the proper way of looking at social phenomena), of course Marxism (probably in all its different branches) will look incomplete and like they’re building from the wrong premises to you. But if you were Marxist, you’d think the same of Nietzschean philosophy (or intersectionality).
I’m sure both have excellent reasons to believe in a framework or another, but we should not forget they are just that, not truth™. I say this not to fall into an absolute relativism but to prevent any side from falling into a conviction of moral superiority. We cannot be so sure about it.
Oh right, I made the mistake of conflating “healthcare as a human right” with “public sector healthcare” because of the context. You and [email protected] are right of course.
Yeah, I am too attached to my account because it’s several years old and was made when there were next to no instances running. But I can only shake my head at the amount of Marxist-Leninist nonsense that is at times pushed there, that unironically elevates what was a development of “Marxism” out of the material conditions of the Eastern Bloc as an imperialist sphere bent on market expansion and accumulation of national capital, into a religion-like orthodoxy.
No, ideology that is nominally Marxist, and having an educated caste of decision-makers highly trained in your interpretation of it at the top won’t prevent capitalist dynamics and bring about communism, only the material base and changing it will, and your ideology will follow what your material base demands. And that had been expansion of national capital for the Eastern sphere since the revolution failed to link up with any industrialised nations in the 1920s. The elevation of Marxism into a basically teleological ideology, claiming that with subservience to the interests of national capital, there will be communism at the end (a promise broken over and over again), is completely understandable by looking at the Soviet and Chinese spheres of influence from a Marxist perspective.
And even the structures put into place by Lenin were explicitly designed as for his own time and the conditions within the Russian Empire, not as an infallible orthodoxy, and things like Democratic Centralism explicitly contained open and free discussion before unity of action, which was just completely pushed away. Urgh, it’s sad to me, because I think a new, invigorated and organised communist movement is needed more than ever, but by redirecting it to the national interest of states like China (and even Russia, which isn’t even nominally communist, and just opposes western imperialism to impose its own imperialism - like choosing Germany over France in WWI, the exact shit Lenin fought against) instead of the international proletariat, just weakens it overall.
I mean there literally is one. European style social democracy and democratic socialism has made way more progress towards socialist ideals than anything inherited from the Leninist tradition. It’s just that the revolutionary fan service isn’t as good so the Orthodox MLs don’t like it very much.
Oh golly gee willikers, I looked it up & you are 1000% correct. 🫠
I bend over, firmly grab my ankles, and say ORANGE MAN SO VERY BAD, in accordance with the invisible ink on the US Constitution. Which only the most awesome liberal elites know about, the rest or us just meander around in the dark, waiting for them to scream at us & enlighten us on the one true way to political salvation. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Yes. It worries me that you haven’t found them. Either you have but you thought they were stupid anyway because of them being leftists, or you haven’t because you do not believe in any way in equality, solidarity, search for knowledge, and many other values the left stands for. This I find difficult to believe.
It is generally leftist. Unfortunately you are probably imagining leftist economics but they want “leftist” authoritarianism. They despise capitalism. They love state capitalism. They will excuse any atrocities and human rights violations that occur as long as the country is extremely authoritarian and pretending to be economically left.
They are historical revisionists as well. Admins are extremely fragile. They will ban you from every community for writing historically accurate facts. If you find this screenshot appalling you should preemptively switch to a different instance before they catch you doing wrongthink and ban you.
Source: I had a lemmy.ml account for the same reasons as you.
I’ve really tried, but discuss.tchncs.de ghosted me, world kinda sucks, and lemm.ee is incredibly slow and semi broken for me, idk what else to use, I’m worried about. Ca because I’m in the old world so far away
It is basically all left, the question is: are they sane left or historical revisionist “left” denying any wrongdoing from the state capitalist nations they worship?
I’m only here temporarily though, once I’m back home in Egypt I’ll be able to join, but then again I’m here pretty often, I’d have to keep the .ml account for use when I’m here
Because why would the bourgeoisie want the masses fighting each other? Though he’s wrong anyway because the elite didn’t promote anything that doesn’t benefit them financially. While that includes turning the poor against each other, it also includes selling anything in any form to anyone regardless of want moral, ethical, or practical factors. If they can get you to pay them money for something with a rainbow on it, congrats, they’re pro-lgbtq. Because they’ve got another subsidiary that will sell the hate-fueled psychopaths that want to kill you their Bibles and.
As a reminder, luckily code does not mean understanding… It’s just the right words in the right order. The code itself is blameless, it’s not great code or anything (and on request, I can be extremely precise in my criticisms), but it’s good enough to be used for good things
He strikes me as the kind of person who uses words like “bourgeoisie” to sound smart and thoughtful… but uses them while regurgitating talking points from fox “news”.
Tankies like him basically regurgitate fox news talking points other than anything relating to china lol. Like literally itd be difficult to tell them apart if china wasnt mentioned
Marxism-Leninism is fundamentally a right-wing ideology. It’s a right-wing ideology that is very much at odds with the dominant right-wing ideology in the West, but if you blur your eyes and take a step back, you’ll see the same thinking at play. Once you realize this, the whole situation starts to make a lot more sense.
The very left lefties who explain to us that the best tactics to achieve leftism are coincidentally doing exactly what the rightmost political group wants.
@[email protected] can you comment on this statement, or at least its veracity? Kind of fucking alarming even if it was a private correspondence. Sure as hell gonna make it (more) impossible for me to convince my trans siblings to join Lemmy if shit like this is allowed to fly. And I’m sure a lot of us are in similar boats.
I decided to actually tag him because maybe seeing a voice that’s “new to him” would get him to respond since he hasn’t responded yet anywhere (as of writing) and I didn’t see anyone else having tagged him.
I commented in public because I want to be transparent about what I say and what he says in the low chance he responds, so that there’s no mucking about with screenshots and “leaking private messages”.
I want him to understand that this is a serious issue that could jeopardize his life’s work and not just someone trying to get “dunk points” on him.
It’d probably help if you told them about blahaj
Already have, lol. So the instance is trans-inclusive, but how can I convince them that the software is trans-inclusive and isn’t systemically biased against them? They’re not technical people; I’ve tried explaining the difference between federated and corporate social media.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
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he sounds like hes pointing out hypocrisy on someone elses comment
am missing somethimg?
Ah, observe how the tankies come in to defend transphobia.
Yeah. That transgender is not a “topic”. It’s human and doesn’t have to be repressed any more. And haters hate that
it sounds like this person is counter arguing with someone else who made it a topic
No it sounds like they think transgenderism is a topic that is promoted, not a human quirk
Based on the additional screenshots in a comment, it looks like this whole thing was bait to create drama.
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You started out with the whole “it’s the bourgeoisie pushing transphobia” thing.
No, nutomic started by ignoring the actual question that was asked and instead starting an ideological argument with a bad faith question. You might say that OP shouldn’t have taken the bait, but this was not started by them
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That’s not bait that’s a legit opinion to express, especially towards someone self identifying as an Marxist
Just breathed a sign of relief seeing you say that. Yep I chose the right instance
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So… they requested a solution for a problem? What did they do wrong?
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Context?
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This context just makes you both look silly.
Their reply prior to the borgeoise rant was downright odd, you’re right about that.
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I’m not sure how this is hate speech from nutomic? They’re not necessarily saying anything bad about trans people as far as I can see, only that the bourgeoisie have nothing to do with it? Or what am I missing here
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Ok sorry I’m not seeing it, which terms? Genuinely asking
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This is even sillier
Lost me at ‘Why do they need to be “rooted out”?’.
Welp, they’re a piece of shit.
Yeah kind of buried the lede, you don’t need to unpack political ideologies to understand the hatred in the first response.
“Doesn’t look like anything to me” bullshit from a transphobic tankie
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Honestly tankies are the hardest political group for me to understand. I disagree with right wing shitheads but I get the core underpinnings even if they’re heinous. Tankies glorify unambiguously evil people for reasons I cannot understand. It is truly detached from reality, as are they when you bring up things like Tienaman Square
They’re Soviet conservatives. So they have all the shit takes conservatives in the US have, they just hate the US instead Iran or whoever the US hates today.
It’s easy to understand them when you realise that their entire ideology starts at “anything the US does or says is bad” and continues from there.
Once you look at it through that lens, even their most wild takes suddenly become very consistent.
But what is it about the US they are so against? What specific elements do they find so distasteful that drives the contrarian stance?
The US has been the grand champion of capitalism. That is a fair criticism to level against us. Its a criticism most of us share. We’ve done some fucked up shit and acted as a force multiplier making smaller conflicts into bigger conflicts with more killing and more suffering. We do this less because our politicians believe in doing the right thing and more because it maintains to neocolonial status quo. Where I draw the line with tankies though is that they are ALSO engaging in force multiplying neocolonialism. Russia is invading Ukraine right now because Putin is big mad about losing control of soviet colonial holdings. What I advocate for is a dismantling of both US capitalist colonialism AND Soviet Bolshevik colonialism. You can’t be a tanky and Anticolonial, too
I think it has to do with complete distrust in western news and government (WNG). They can discount anything WNG says; especially when, it goes against their belief that the US is bad.
I believe we live in the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever developed but the folks who are a part of it mostly don’t lie. They’ve got the same problem the tankies have but reversed. The folks who work in WNG believe the US is good. They naturally distrust and minimize any info that would conflict with their beliefs.
There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance.
The only way I can navigate my belief in the fundamental inaccuracy of information is acknowledging it and accepting I don’t have enough info to be certain a lot of the time.
So picture a political compass. “The right” think they’re in a corner marked as pro corporations/pro individual freedom, but are actually not quite there given their desire for government to control other people
Most of “the left” are anti-corporate more or less and disagree on individual freedom.
Tankies are pseudo-intellectual nuts. They are orthogonal to the political compass
His argumentation is dumb.
But even more so, IF the bourgeoisie were promoting pro-trans stuff. It would NOT be suprising that the bourgeoisie would ALSO be promoting anti-trans stuff. It fans the flame of this “culture war”which according to communist theory, would distract people from realising the “true divide” in society is class, and workers to unite.
TLDR: He’s clearly a conservative of some sort because his logic is incompatible with communist theory.
This is in fact what Russian bot factories are actually doing. And not just around trans activism, but around everything they can use to increase hatred and decrease social cohesion in the west. Here’s one source that talks about this problem: https://www.amazon.com/Putins-Trolls-Frontlines-Russias-Information/dp/1632461293
They’re doing it pretty well. As a practical example, a lot of the discussion revolving around this topic is powerfully pushing me towards distrusting trans activists, and somewhat towards distrusting trans people in general. There’s something deeply irritating about the fundamentalism of it all – it reminds me of the kind of religiosity that we had to fight against a lot in the 1900s and of course earlier.
I need to remind myself constantly in these threads that trans rights are human rights and that it’s the discussion that’s fucked, not the people.
hm can you link to an example of posts that fits the description “pushing you to distrust trans activists”?
Those threads are generally embarrasing already when they’re happening, but especially in hindsight – nevertheless here’s one recent one I greatly enjoyed having https://sopuli.xyz/post/15328469/10919769
Yeah that thread is pretty embarrassing. If you like, here’s a post on the subject of definitions and category boundaries from a rationalist perspective. It’s arguing p much same thing as @[email protected] was talking about, but imo in a more compelling way https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/
Great article, thanks for that.
Quote from its 4th section:
I think the confusion (in my case) is that even though I think male and female are well-defined concepts based on biology, this fact does not preclude doing something special for the benefit of the remaining 1% who don’t fit the definition. And it also doesn’t preclude having a sexual identity that differs from the biological ones.
So I don’t understand the leap from what I’m saying to accusing me of being transphobic, and by extension, evil in a somewhat religious sense. This is where it seems to me that the discussion is fucked.
And the accusation of being anti-scientific I thought was just wrong, but that’s fine.
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Is this your own conversation with him?
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Puts transphobes in quotation marks, bans everything he considers “sinophobia” even if you just mention literal policy in china. why are tankies so weird about so much stuff
Authoritarianism is a mental disorder. You can never expect reasonable thought from them
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Don’t equate authoritarianism with mental disorders or disabilities. Authoritarians love targeting the disabled and it has nothing to do with it. People being miseducated, propagandized, and their insecurities leading them to want authoritarians in control has nothing to do with mental disorders
I really mean it though. Authoritarianism is a trauma response to being abused as a child. Our brains when raised in an authoritarian household that punishes us through physical violence like spanking becomes much more likely to seek authority from positions of power in adulthood, and if there becomes a power vaccuum or a shift away from top down authority, we transform ourselves from the follower to the leader. Whether or not authoritarians victimize people with mental disorders and disabilities is immaterial. They victimize every single group they can marginalize because they were ultimately empty from the childhood trauma that they’ve glossed over and turned into a positive aspect of their upbringing. Anytime you hear “my parents spanked me, and I turned out find” you are hearing a twisted mind grappling with an extreme trauma and justifying the shitty person they’ve become because if they don’t, it means they haven’t survived their core trauma yet
freudianism is pseudoscience, as is most discourse around “child traumas” (spanking = trauma? really? that’s absurd concept creep). Just look at the recovered memory movement.
because childhood memories remain in the liminal period of awareness, you can convince yourself that personality is built on childhood experiences. It’s an insane tabula rasa and simply not true.
wants strong government = beaten as a child is a terrible pop-sci take, exactly the same as chuds saying all gay men were molested as children
Please stop. Anything can be traumatic. Two people can have the same experience; one receives trauma and another does not. You likely know people who have trauma from parental violence. This isn’t rhetorical, the things you say affect people.
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@[email protected] So sorry you had to hear this.
But this isn’t the first or last time the lemmy devs go off the deep end. Come check out [email protected] for a whole range of extremism the developers actively endorse and encourage
Classical Marxist/Lenninism is specifically not intersectional. They’ll use race as a lever against capitalism but deny race as a social problem they must specifically intervene on. But it’s also stupid to adopt. There’s a reason TERFs are often fascist adjacent.
I think it’s like saying that Marxism isn’t… let’s say, Nietzschean. Those are two ways of looking into problems. In some points, they’ll coincide; in others, they won’t. I’m bad at analogies. Anyway, if you’re a Nietzschean (in this case, if you believe intersectionality is the proper way of looking at social phenomena), of course Marxism (probably in all its different branches) will look incomplete and like they’re building from the wrong premises to you. But if you were Marxist, you’d think the same of Nietzschean philosophy (or intersectionality).
I’m sure both have excellent reasons to believe in a framework or another, but we should not forget they are just that, not truth™. I say this not to fall into an absolute relativism but to prevent any side from falling into a conviction of moral superiority. We cannot be so sure about it.
There are plenty of early leninists who were deeply intersectional. Alexandra Kollontai jumps to mind immediately.
But yeah, there’s definitely a vulgar strain here that nutomic is clinging to.
Man I wanna be banned by this guy too he seems like a dick :3
As someone who just joined and picked .ml because it seemed generally leftist
What the fuck?
Leftism doesn’t require trans activism. It happens there mostly due to tribalism, not because the ideology somehow makes it necessary.
It sure does require supporting healthcare as a human right.
I don’t exactly see why that’s a requirement. You mean because trans people usually need costly medical treatments?
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Oh right, I made the mistake of conflating “healthcare as a human right” with “public sector healthcare” because of the context. You and [email protected] are right of course.
Yeah, I am too attached to my account because it’s several years old and was made when there were next to no instances running. But I can only shake my head at the amount of Marxist-Leninist nonsense that is at times pushed there, that unironically elevates what was a development of “Marxism” out of the material conditions of the Eastern Bloc as an imperialist sphere bent on market expansion and accumulation of national capital, into a religion-like orthodoxy.
No, ideology that is nominally Marxist, and having an educated caste of decision-makers highly trained in your interpretation of it at the top won’t prevent capitalist dynamics and bring about communism, only the material base and changing it will, and your ideology will follow what your material base demands. And that had been expansion of national capital for the Eastern sphere since the revolution failed to link up with any industrialised nations in the 1920s. The elevation of Marxism into a basically teleological ideology, claiming that with subservience to the interests of national capital, there will be communism at the end (a promise broken over and over again), is completely understandable by looking at the Soviet and Chinese spheres of influence from a Marxist perspective.
And even the structures put into place by Lenin were explicitly designed as for his own time and the conditions within the Russian Empire, not as an infallible orthodoxy, and things like Democratic Centralism explicitly contained open and free discussion before unity of action, which was just completely pushed away. Urgh, it’s sad to me, because I think a new, invigorated and organised communist movement is needed more than ever, but by redirecting it to the national interest of states like China (and even Russia, which isn’t even nominally communist, and just opposes western imperialism to impose its own imperialism - like choosing Germany over France in WWI, the exact shit Lenin fought against) instead of the international proletariat, just weakens it overall.
I mean there literally is one. European style social democracy and democratic socialism has made way more progress towards socialist ideals than anything inherited from the Leninist tradition. It’s just that the revolutionary fan service isn’t as good so the Orthodox MLs don’t like it very much.
Technology and social advances have increased the wealth and income disparity that the working class will tolerate without destroying the system.
I made the same mistake. They are the stupid kind of leftists
There’s another kind? 🙂 Give me them downvotes 😆
Well yes. There’s a smart kind of leftism too. The kind they had in the 70s and 80s. But it’s not very mainstream right now.
Only leftists are allowed to hate other leftists. Them’s the law 'round these parts, partner.
Oh golly gee willikers, I looked it up & you are 1000% correct. 🫠
I bend over, firmly grab my ankles, and say ORANGE MAN SO VERY BAD, in accordance with the invisible ink on the US Constitution. Which only the most awesome liberal elites know about, the rest or us just meander around in the dark, waiting for them to scream at us & enlighten us on the one true way to political salvation. 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Yes. It worries me that you haven’t found them. Either you have but you thought they were stupid anyway because of them being leftists, or you haven’t because you do not believe in any way in equality, solidarity, search for knowledge, and many other values the left stands for. This I find difficult to believe.
Or it’s a joke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It is generally leftist. Unfortunately you are probably imagining leftist economics but they want “leftist” authoritarianism. They despise capitalism. They love state capitalism. They will excuse any atrocities and human rights violations that occur as long as the country is extremely authoritarian and pretending to be economically left.
They are historical revisionists as well. Admins are extremely fragile. They will ban you from every community for writing historically accurate facts. If you find this screenshot appalling you should preemptively switch to a different instance before they catch you doing wrongthink and ban you.
Source: I had a lemmy.ml account for the same reasons as you.
they will ban you for writing “cunt” lol
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I’ve really tried, but discuss.tchncs.de ghosted me, world kinda sucks, and lemm.ee is incredibly slow and semi broken for me, idk what else to use, I’m worried about. Ca because I’m in the old world so far away
Other leftist instances you might consider:
Slrpnk.net seems perfect, I’ll make an account on there as soon as I can
Welcome!
I hath found success!
🎉🥳🎊🍾
Welcome home! (Well its my second home, but I super love the vibes here and more and more it might become my true home)
Didn’t beehaw cut themselves off from, uh, everyone?
From LW, yeah. They still federate with us though. And honestly, I get it.
Oooo Midwest social is left leaning??? This makes my rust belt ass happy
Yeah the admin is from Ohio. He’s definitely a leftist but that doesn’t really mean much on the day to day running of the instance.
It’s Lemmy, most of the instances are left leaning, the question is usually how far left they go.
It is basically all left, the question is: are they sane left or historical revisionist “left” denying any wrongdoing from the state capitalist nations they worship?
Indeed
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Midwest.social bans landlords on sight ❤️
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Feddit.UK isn’t necessarily leftist, just “don’t be a jerk”
Man. Says everything you need to know about non-leftwinf politics, doesn’t it?
Strange, I’m in Europe too and it works quite well
Lemmy.zip is nice
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Censored in the country I’m currently in :(
I’m only here temporarily though, once I’m back home in Egypt I’ll be able to join, but then again I’m here pretty often, I’d have to keep the .ml account for use when I’m here
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Funnily enough Lemmy.ml is censored in China.
That seems perfect, I’ll be using that and slrpnk.net and seeing which one fits me more I guess
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sh.itjust.works is easy to make an account on and is sane.
Pretty sure ML stands for Marxist Leninist, doesn’t it?
It stands for Mali (the country the domain is registered to) but I think Marxist-Leninist was a happy coincidence for them.
Marxist Leninists aren’t usually transphobic
Shout out to Leslie Feinberg. Everyone go read Transgender Warriors.
They are when in private, quite actively actually.
If they are shilling for Russia or China they are.
LGBTQ+ members get killed on the spot over there, and the cops say they deserve it.
Because why would the bourgeoisie want the masses fighting each other? Though he’s wrong anyway because the elite didn’t promote anything that doesn’t benefit them financially. While that includes turning the poor against each other, it also includes selling anything in any form to anyone regardless of want moral, ethical, or practical factors. If they can get you to pay them money for something with a rainbow on it, congrats, they’re pro-lgbtq. Because they’ve got another subsidiary that will sell the hate-fueled psychopaths that want to kill you their Bibles and.
Well, those were certainly words.
As a reminder, luckily code does not mean understanding… It’s just the right words in the right order. The code itself is blameless, it’s not great code or anything (and on request, I can be extremely precise in my criticisms), but it’s good enough to be used for good things
Some .ml cunt being a nutwad? Truly shocked, man.
This one
They are one of the two people who created Lemmy.
Yeah, and how does that seem to be working out.
Don’t judge kids based solely on their parent. Lemmy has outgrown them.
that was an amazing quote btw
They created Lemmy because they got banned from Reddit, and destroyed /r/communism in the process.
How did they destroy /r/communism?
Harrasing and brigading other subs then getting it banned in the process.
Interesting. I wasn’t aware of the history but it fits what I know of them.
Yeah these two are r/TheDonald of left-wing economic policies
Idk how it’s actually spelled, but it looks wrong. Is he doing it right?
He strikes me as the kind of person who uses words like “bourgeoisie” to sound smart and thoughtful… but uses them while regurgitating talking points from fox “news”.
Tankies like him basically regurgitate fox news talking points other than anything relating to china lol. Like literally itd be difficult to tell them apart if china wasnt mentioned
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Nutomic is a transphobic tankie shithead and it’s unfortunate how critical he’s been to the development of lemmy/the fediverse
maybe, but it’s open source, it easy to just fork if they start fucking with the code
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Marxism-Leninism is fundamentally a right-wing ideology. It’s a right-wing ideology that is very much at odds with the dominant right-wing ideology in the West, but if you blur your eyes and take a step back, you’ll see the same thinking at play. Once you realize this, the whole situation starts to make a lot more sense.
The very left lefties who explain to us that the best tactics to achieve leftism are coincidentally doing exactly what the rightmost political group wants.
I can understand being frustrated with democracy. It has many strengths, but efficiency isn’t one of them.
When you see an injustice, you want it fixed NOW. Authoritarianism looks kinda good then, but ultimately it causes more problems than it solves.
“Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
@[email protected] can you comment on this statement, or at least its veracity? Kind of fucking alarming even if it was a private correspondence. Sure as hell gonna make it (more) impossible for me to convince my trans siblings to join Lemmy if shit like this is allowed to fly. And I’m sure a lot of us are in similar boats.
It’d probably help if you told them about blahaj instead of trying to pick a beef with a single code monkey you don’t have to interact with.
I very much do not want beef with @[email protected]. I want clarity.
I decided to actually tag him because maybe seeing a voice that’s “new to him” would get him to respond since he hasn’t responded yet anywhere (as of writing) and I didn’t see anyone else having tagged him.
I commented in public because I want to be transparent about what I say and what he says in the low chance he responds, so that there’s no mucking about with screenshots and “leaking private messages”.
I want him to understand that this is a serious issue that could jeopardize his life’s work and not just someone trying to get “dunk points” on him.
Already have, lol. So the instance is trans-inclusive, but how can I convince them that the software is trans-inclusive and isn’t systemically biased against them? They’re not technical people; I’ve tried explaining the difference between federated and corporate social media.
Show your siblings https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/