I don’t if it’s just me but a lot of weirdness was then part of various subcultures, especially music ones. Now it has been decoupled from those onto tiktok. Not saying good or bad.
That’s how I try to keep things in perspective, by saying - was I any different?
Yes I think it’s all stupid and annoying, literally everything about tiktok which the kids are soooo involved with, minecraft, fortnite, however they’re dressing these days. Stupid and annoying, all of it.
But hey there was a time when my digi-pet was the most important thing I owned, my beanie babies were “an investment”, could easily play Halo for 12 hours straight, I wore giant jnco jeans with chains on them, and listened to Limp Bizkit.
hi every1 im new!!! holds up spork my name is katy but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me _… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!
DOOOOOMMMM!!! <— me bein random again _ hehe…toodles!!!
I used to work with a lot of people who were younger than me, and I knew a few Katy’s in my time (in some cases, literally, though not all younger but still - Catherine Kathrine Kathy Cathy Kate and like 3 Katie’s were all people I knew in the space of about 3 years lmfao). 😂
E: to clarify - absolutely nothing against them! I was a closeted goth (already being bullied for but not knowing I was autistic started early and was bad enough) and I wish I could have embraced the weirdness like that.
Has there ever been a study from like an anthropologist/evolutionary biologist or something about why the :) smiley won out over the =) smiley? I used to be a =) guy back in the day, but over time felt pressured to switch to :) because everyone else was using it. Now, whenever I see someone use =) I just assume they’re a boomer or something.
It came before emojis/a shortcut for them. I would think it’s from T9 keyboards. If you wanted any of those types of characters, it was a cycle of a single button and : comes before =, so doing : ) was a lot less button presses than = )
I recently came across a blogpost explaining something I was researching, and the comments beneath were exactly like this. Then I looked up from when it was: May 2006.
Honestly, I kind of understand why the older generation was afraid of using the internet, they saw this lingo while trying to fix a leaky pipe on a Yahoo Answers thread and said “not my worldwideweb!”
I didn’t talk this incredibly stupid and “unique” on chats during AOL and MSN days but by the time I got to highschool I realized I needed to stop with all the emojis and emphasis in text form because nobody knows how nor cares to decypher what you’re saying anyway.
Oh god, I forgot about the spork thing. The sporks seemed a natural part of the foundation. Where did the sporks go? This would have been perfectly at home on the very first forum my child ass ever joined, and I can feel everything I ever loved evaporating.
Sometimes I think that since I still really love goth chicks I haven’t changed that much since the 00s
But then I remember that over that time frame goth chicks went from edgy rebellious teenagers in a ton of makeup to moms in their 30s with a wicked sense of humor that wear a lot of black. They still deal weed and hate authorities though.
Watching my once fully goth and punk friends raise kids is odd but also wonderful, knowing that they’re passing their zero tolerance for societies’ bullshit on to their kids (as best they can, considering what we’re up against) is heart warming.
Wouldn’t want to do it myself though lol
It’s sad they got so much hate back the days. Their style was so awesome and different. I always admired that, but didn’t have the courage to go full emo and draw everybodys hate on me.
Millennial fashion was pretty bad imho. From the emo look all the way down to the lumberjack look. All quite contrived and corny, but that’s just my opinion.
@YoungPrinceAmmon, and also much worse.
Look a Estonian right-wing politician, for Example, without naming the death Ferret from Trump or this (???) from Borris Johnson
The man bun has been around for hundreds of years in different yet similar iterations. Fashion is cyclical as human tastes are. We reject the current popular trend which then spawns a new one, but mostly derived from previously existing trends in the far past. We do this enough times and then we circle around to arrive again where it all began. As it is, nothing is truly original, like matter and energy, everything comes from something.
I’m a millennial, and I still dress all emo even in my 30’s. My 20 year old coworker even complimented my black skinny jeans with zippers in random places the other day.
No reason to stop loving your late teen/early 20’s aesthetic! Don’t let the world crush your creativity, do you and to hell with everyone’s opinions!
At 35 I continue to wear home made stenciled t-shirts and jeans I cut into shorts. If my boss doesn’t like it he can go break a hip about it, how I look has no bearing on how well I do my job.
Is… is that the rep we have? I sort of thought that was boomers and just, well, bigots from every generation. Gen X was also sex positive feminism 3rd wave and the beginning of intersectionalism.
I’ve also seen a lot of self identified progressive Xers and boomers that need to be explicitly taught these things. One was a terf before he looked around as his fellow terfs. Another was oddly possessive of Bugs Bunny in drag when he found out that some consider that episode a pro-trans episode. A whole lot of them don’t pick up on the anti environmental subtext in their comic book movies.
I don’t think it is about flipping a coin between open-minded and close-minded but about radicalization. While it is harder to see with QAnon, radicalization be it right, left (although you have to go really far on the horseshoe), or religious is staunchly anti-intellectualistic. Once you believe in ideas or at least do not see them as really distasteful, it gets easier to go towards more and more batshit insane ideas.
While I am not sure if there is actual research on how age affects radicalization, research on radicalization has identified certain things that make it likelier for a person to be radicalized. Vulnerability, marginalization, and othering are all pretty common. To extend it there might be an age group vulnerability of 45 and up age group because of either being empty nesters or kids at least starting to be a lot more independent.
There is also somewhat of a domino effect. People like to be part of a group. If people don’t give any legitimacy to radicalized viewpoints, it makes it harder to be radicalized. The problem with this is also how hidden ideas can become mainstream as has at least in Western countries happened with the alt-right, they can reach a scary critical mass. Once you have been tempered with completely crazy viewpoints at one point thinking JFK Jr will be resurrected is not that weird anymore.
Over a decade ago when I started to get really worried about the rise of fascism in the West, my mom thought I was insane. Now we have had (not American) actual neo-Nazi as minister and no one of the ministerial parties thought it was a huge enough deal to actually not do it. In my books that means they all are neo-Nazies. My mom also doesn’t think I am insane anymore. The tools they used to gain power are not new. We are just not taught to identify them. I was because it would be a pretty bad idea to have someone in my profession if not aware of signs of radicalization.
We really need to step out of the idea that radicalization only happens to people who are somehow slow or uneducated. It might make you more likely to fall for it, but cognitive ability and education will not mean you will not end up there as well. Issue with the anti-intellectualism of the alt-right is not if someone themselves has education but if they are willing to listen to other people who do. If no one is an expert for example racist ideas of the alt-right about biological differences can’t be refuted. Which is probably partially where it comes from times quite a lot.
Everyone likes to think they have cognitive ability. If we just think radicalization happens only to stupid people, and you are not stupid, getting a person de-radicalized is going to be a lot harder. Thinking that we as people with cognitive ability can’t be radicalized will also make it easier to fall for it because you can’t be radicalized.
Instead of intelligence or education, we should focus on the trifecta of vulnerability, marginalization, and othering. That’s a better predictor.
(And no, I do not actually disagree about the ideas being idiocy, just that falling for them are not just for idiots)
I disagree on the fundamental level that if someone “intelligent” chooses to follow the ideas of idiocy it’s not proof that the intelligent can be swayed, but that the individual is objectively less intelligent that previously assumed. This is reinforced when someone more intelligent isn’t swayed by said idiocy.
We have had problems over here where we lose people down an antivax q-anon abbit hole, but it seems to affect all ages. I think maybe it has something to do with underlying mental health vulnerabilities.
Seriously that’s some 80s shit my sister was into but she’s 9 years older than me, meanwhile it was more Biggie and Wu-Tang for me when they dropped around 93-94 when I was a teen. It was all baggy clothes.
Yeah that’s just facts. This Bowie type shit is ANYTHING BUT straight, that’s what makes it iconic.
The straights have always copied/been inspired by queer fashion, just like white america with black american music genres (jazz, rock, blues, r&b, rap).
Absolutely, there’s a long history of the “in-group” co-opting culture from the “out-group” because it’s seen as exotic and transgressive. Was it hypocritical for such a homophobic generation to idolize queer icons, only so long as they were cool and made good music? On a cultural level, yeah. On an individual level, depends on the individual and their specific beliefs and actions
Yeah, you got me. But i don’t know what gen z is doing and don’t feel like talking down about them for whatever reason. I miss my spiked punk hairstyle, the teased mohawk i rocked and the half covered face emo hair. all of the weird stuff was so much fun.
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I don’t if it’s just me but a lot of weirdness was then part of various subcultures, especially music ones. Now it has been decoupled from those onto tiktok. Not saying good or bad.
That’s how I try to keep things in perspective, by saying - was I any different?
Yes I think it’s all stupid and annoying, literally everything about tiktok which the kids are soooo involved with, minecraft, fortnite, however they’re dressing these days. Stupid and annoying, all of it.
But hey there was a time when my digi-pet was the most important thing I owned, my beanie babies were “an investment”, could easily play Halo for 12 hours straight, I wore giant jnco jeans with chains on them, and listened to Limp Bizkit.
So, was I any different? Nah, it’s the same.
Why couldn’t i have been born a year earlier?!?
Behold! The blogging aesthetics of 2006:
I used to work with a lot of people who were younger than me, and I knew a few Katy’s in my time (in some cases, literally, though not all younger but still - Catherine Kathrine Kathy Cathy Kate and like 3 Katie’s were all people I knew in the space of about 3 years lmfao). 😂
E: to clarify - absolutely nothing against them! I was a closeted goth (already being bullied for but not knowing I was autistic started early and was bad enough) and I wish I could have embraced the weirdness like that.
Holy shit what a throwback to the past
Has there ever been a study from like an anthropologist/evolutionary biologist or something about why the
:)smiley won out over the=)smiley? I used to be a =) guy back in the day, but over time felt pressured to switch to :) because everyone else was using it. Now, whenever I see someone use =) I just assume they’re a boomer or something.I’ve never thought about that. Could it be because :) became the shortcut for emoji?
It came before emojis/a shortcut for them. I would think it’s from T9 keyboards. If you wanted any of those types of characters, it was a cycle of a single button and : comes before =, so doing : ) was a lot less button presses than = )
I miss MySpace.
I recently came across a blogpost explaining something I was researching, and the comments beneath were exactly like this. Then I looked up from when it was: May 2006.
The internet is a time machine.
Man, it really is and it’s so cool to see. It brings back memories you forgot you had!
The sacred texts, they’re so bright I almost need to avert my eyes.
‘the sacred texts’
My ROFLCopter goes SOISOISOISOISOISOI
You truely were random as dice. ;)
Honestly, I kind of understand why the older generation was afraid of using the internet, they saw this lingo while trying to fix a leaky pipe on a Yahoo Answers thread and said “not my worldwideweb!”
I didn’t talk this incredibly stupid and “unique” on chats during AOL and MSN days but by the time I got to highschool I realized I needed to stop with all the emojis and emphasis in text form because nobody knows how nor cares to decypher what you’re saying anyway.
Oh fuck! This caused my brain to reboot after a cascading failure of memories tripping fuses right the way back to 2001.
Did your brain then play the windows XP boot up sound?
Is it bad that I can still read these shitposts in the correct tone?
I read them in Boxxy’s voice, it’s automatic
Did she ever made friends this day, or is it just a full on copypasta?
This made my eyes water
Oh god, I forgot about the spork thing. The sporks seemed a natural part of the foundation. Where did the sporks go? This would have been perfectly at home on the very first forum my child ass ever joined, and I can feel everything I ever loved evaporating.
We stumbled so that you could also stumble but down some stairs.
Are there any movies that capture this period in time?
I want to say Eurotrip
I don’t know about movies but you just want to feel that mood check out Invader Zim, the cartoon from her shirt
The use of the word aesthetic as a verb in the last several years blows my mind.
Anyhow, yeah, we dress different when we’re kids. I don’t think too many people are shocked by this.
They’ve aestheticed
I’m aestheticking right now
It’s used as a noun here? I’m confused
“the aesthetic” was always a noun, dude
Yes, not a verb, which is why I’m confused
the verb is aesthetical “It’s not aesthetically pleasing”
That’s an adjective & adverb… “pleasing” is the verb in the example you give, “aesthetically” describes the verb
Surely that’s an adjective and adverb respectively?
Sometimes I think that since I still really love goth chicks I haven’t changed that much since the 00s
But then I remember that over that time frame goth chicks went from edgy rebellious teenagers in a ton of makeup to moms in their 30s with a wicked sense of humor that wear a lot of black. They still deal weed and hate authorities though.
Watching my once fully goth and punk friends raise kids is odd but also wonderful, knowing that they’re passing their zero tolerance for societies’ bullshit on to their kids (as best they can, considering what we’re up against) is heart warming.
Wouldn’t want to do it myself though lol
Thes
God, I miss that time. Closest you get to that aesthetics nowadays still is some forms of visual kei (stuff like lynch.), but it’s a different vibe.
Im an emo kid
Nonconforming as can be
You’d be nonconforming too if you looked just like me
Edit: revisiting these lyrics, this song is an important time capsule
Oh man, that brings back memories
I’ve got paint on my nails and makeup on my face
I’m almost emo enough to start shaving my legs
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It’s sad they got so much hate back the days. Their style was so awesome and different. I always admired that, but didn’t have the courage to go full emo and draw everybodys hate on me.
Millennial fashion was pretty bad imho. From the emo look all the way down to the lumberjack look. All quite contrived and corny, but that’s just my opinion.
The manbun will go down in history as one of the worst hairstyles of all time
Oh please. It’s at least gonna have to get in line behind the alt-right undercut.
Broccoli haircut is much much worse than anything
@YoungPrinceAmmon @manapropos, or this one
https://youtu.be/D1NdGBldg3w
Well this seems to be purely for comedic effect, you’ll probably never se anyone on street with such hair
@YoungPrinceAmmon, and also much worse.
Look a Estonian right-wing politician, for Example, without naming the death Ferret from Trump or this (???) from Borris Johnson
That Estonian guy is another level, really got me off guard
Looks like Peso Pluma without the mullet part in the back
What else am I supposed to do with these luscious locks when I’m working!?
Get a haircut you dirty hippie /s
The man bun has been around for hundreds of years in different yet similar iterations. Fashion is cyclical as human tastes are. We reject the current popular trend which then spawns a new one, but mostly derived from previously existing trends in the far past. We do this enough times and then we circle around to arrive again where it all began. As it is, nothing is truly original, like matter and energy, everything comes from something.
You shut your whore mouth.
You probably listen to the mountain goats
I think you’ve misspelt mullet
Mullets rule
Excuse me I exclusively wore preppy clothes from Abercrombie & Fitch thank you very much
I’m a millennial, and I still dress all emo even in my 30’s. My 20 year old coworker even complimented my black skinny jeans with zippers in random places the other day. No reason to stop loving your late teen/early 20’s aesthetic! Don’t let the world crush your creativity, do you and to hell with everyone’s opinions!
Same. I stopped dying my hair black but otherwise my style has stayed very similar
I’m with you!!! I’m gonna dress how I feel like I should and now that I’m an adult nobody can stop me!!
At 35 I continue to wear home made stenciled t-shirts and jeans I cut into shorts. If my boss doesn’t like it he can go break a hip about it, how I look has no bearing on how well I do my job.
Yesss you rock!
Mine is the casual yuppie look. Ha
Kids these days trying to take away our skinny jeans! Never I say!
We’ll see who is laughing when it snows and their ankles are frozen. Suppose they all have to learn somehow
Can we just get a happy medium between JNCO and skinny jeans, please? 😭
Skinny Jeans forever. I can’t imagine not having a few pairs at home. They are the most comfortable pants I own!
Hell yeha, as long as you’re not harming anyone, just do whatever the hell you want without thinking twice.
Gen X: Haha, those millenials sure looked stupid as kids!
Also Gen X:
And these are the ones scared of gender/LGBTQ politics… We know why now…
Is… is that the rep we have? I sort of thought that was boomers and just, well, bigots from every generation. Gen X was also sex positive feminism 3rd wave and the beginning of intersectionalism.
Guess it depends on where you live. I find a lot of people around me that are 45 and up and don’t live in a more wealthy area are basically that way.
I saw a lot flip sides since 2020… From being open minded to closed. From repping Obama to repping trump and the coup.
It’s really weird to be honest.
I’ve also seen a lot of self identified progressive Xers and boomers that need to be explicitly taught these things. One was a terf before he looked around as his fellow terfs. Another was oddly possessive of Bugs Bunny in drag when he found out that some consider that episode a pro-trans episode. A whole lot of them don’t pick up on the anti environmental subtext in their comic book movies.
I don’t think it is about flipping a coin between open-minded and close-minded but about radicalization. While it is harder to see with QAnon, radicalization be it right, left (although you have to go really far on the horseshoe), or religious is staunchly anti-intellectualistic. Once you believe in ideas or at least do not see them as really distasteful, it gets easier to go towards more and more batshit insane ideas.
While I am not sure if there is actual research on how age affects radicalization, research on radicalization has identified certain things that make it likelier for a person to be radicalized. Vulnerability, marginalization, and othering are all pretty common. To extend it there might be an age group vulnerability of 45 and up age group because of either being empty nesters or kids at least starting to be a lot more independent.
There is also somewhat of a domino effect. People like to be part of a group. If people don’t give any legitimacy to radicalized viewpoints, it makes it harder to be radicalized. The problem with this is also how hidden ideas can become mainstream as has at least in Western countries happened with the alt-right, they can reach a scary critical mass. Once you have been tempered with completely crazy viewpoints at one point thinking JFK Jr will be resurrected is not that weird anymore.
Over a decade ago when I started to get really worried about the rise of fascism in the West, my mom thought I was insane. Now we have had (not American) actual neo-Nazi as minister and no one of the ministerial parties thought it was a huge enough deal to actually not do it. In my books that means they all are neo-Nazies. My mom also doesn’t think I am insane anymore. The tools they used to gain power are not new. We are just not taught to identify them. I was because it would be a pretty bad idea to have someone in my profession if not aware of signs of radicalization.
Even education can only do so much to make up for a complete lack of cognitive ability.
Even education can only do so much to make up for a complete lack of cognitive ability.
Even education can only do so much to make up for a complete lack of cognitive ability.
Even education can only do so much to make up for a complete lack of cognitive ability.
Even education can only do so much to make up for a complete lack of cognitive ability.
We really need to step out of the idea that radicalization only happens to people who are somehow slow or uneducated. It might make you more likely to fall for it, but cognitive ability and education will not mean you will not end up there as well. Issue with the anti-intellectualism of the alt-right is not if someone themselves has education but if they are willing to listen to other people who do. If no one is an expert for example racist ideas of the alt-right about biological differences can’t be refuted. Which is probably partially where it comes from times quite a lot.
Everyone likes to think they have cognitive ability. If we just think radicalization happens only to stupid people, and you are not stupid, getting a person de-radicalized is going to be a lot harder. Thinking that we as people with cognitive ability can’t be radicalized will also make it easier to fall for it because you can’t be radicalized.
Instead of intelligence or education, we should focus on the trifecta of vulnerability, marginalization, and othering. That’s a better predictor.
(And no, I do not actually disagree about the ideas being idiocy, just that falling for them are not just for idiots)
I disagree on the fundamental level that if someone “intelligent” chooses to follow the ideas of idiocy it’s not proof that the intelligent can be swayed, but that the individual is objectively less intelligent that previously assumed. This is reinforced when someone more intelligent isn’t swayed by said idiocy.
Yikes that sounds rough!
We have had problems over here where we lose people down an antivax q-anon abbit hole, but it seems to affect all ages. I think maybe it has something to do with underlying mental health vulnerabilities.
Da packages.
I think back then you could do “gay” things without being seen as gay so it was okay.
It was okay to dress like that if everyone knew you were out smashing loads of chicks.
But not people are going to think you’re gay so it’s really different.
Aw man, I clicked that thinking it was going to be Grunge or even this sort of thing.
I always forget that gen x also includes people way older than me.
Seriously that’s some 80s shit my sister was into but she’s 9 years older than me, meanwhile it was more Biggie and Wu-Tang for me when they dropped around 93-94 when I was a teen. It was all baggy clothes.
Starter jackets, timbs, raiders… Fubu… Billabong… Wallet chains. The longer the wallet chain the more dominace you had over peers.
It all started with a Starter Coat… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Kc8GVUBRI
Give them a break, they had no other accepted way to explore their sexuality
/s but also no /s
Yeah that’s just facts. This Bowie type shit is ANYTHING BUT straight, that’s what makes it iconic.
The straights have always copied/been inspired by queer fashion, just like white america with black american music genres (jazz, rock, blues, r&b, rap).
Absolutely, there’s a long history of the “in-group” co-opting culture from the “out-group” because it’s seen as exotic and transgressive. Was it hypocritical for such a homophobic generation to idolize queer icons, only so long as they were cool and made good music? On a cultural level, yeah. On an individual level, depends on the individual and their specific beliefs and actions
Boomers: Haha, Gen X sure looked stupid as kids!
Also Boomers:
Given a better quality photo, the women on the left and right really wouldn’t be out of place nowadays.
The boomer’s had everything better. That fashion works for me.
But everyone was so much thinner back then. The average person was so much hotter.
The only thing that’s really improved is people’s teeth.
Because they inherited an economy with actual food and replaced it with “food” filled with industrial inventions like corn syrup
Yeah, you got me. But i don’t know what gen z is doing and don’t feel like talking down about them for whatever reason. I miss my spiked punk hairstyle, the teased mohawk i rocked and the half covered face emo hair. all of the weird stuff was so much fun.
Ya what is gen Z
I never looked like this, but life was so much easier back then.
It still is! I’m over 30 and still having fun with the alternative looks! I also work in IT remotely, so, milage may vary.
I quit looking like i wanted to, because employers basically went: change or get kicked out.