The number of times and situation I’ve wished I had wired earbuds. And this is someone who generally uses wireless headphones.
The fact that they removed it in the first place is bs
THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER
It takes 5 minutes at most to get another hour of playback from my headset. You do not need a headphone jack in this day an age, and I say this as an avid music listener.
Also ANC won’t work if your battery is dead most of the time, so having a wired option is not that useful for your flight
IT TAKES 0 SECONDS TO HAVE ∞ HOURS OF PLAYBACK FOR MY HEADSET.
Talking seriously, I really hate that everything in this day and age has to come with a battery: it’s a useless waste of resources.
When you buy a good set of cabled earphones it will be good for life (I used my AudioTechnica M50 for more than 10 years and only had to change the cable once), wireless you’ll have to throw them away when the batteries will eventually die (in 3 years on average).
E-waste is a serious issue, if you want to go green, go cable <3
Okay so I go running quite often, no phone on me, just my watch (which is on my wrist) and my AirPods.
How does your setup work in my regard? Because I genuinely don’t see a way to go cabled for it without changing how I do things, and having a cable running to my watch is just stupid.
(I do use wired headphones whenever I’m at home because we all know it’s better at a fundamental level) but let’s be honest AirPods have their place.
Never said that bluetooth buds/earphones should be dismantled, please abandon this “if you have an argument for your thing it means you’re against my thing” mindset, it makes you sound dumb and you are not;
Back in the 90’s joggers would run with huge-ass cassette walkmans powered by 4x AA batteries strapped on their shorts and hardly anyone popped an hernia or got strangled by the earphones: while we had great achievements in terms of electronics wearability, don’t let comfort be your cage.
Yeah I realize my comment came off as argumentative and isn’t really how I meant it, I more so meant I can’t see a way for me to use a wired set without changing how comfortable my run currently is. (Again, I do PREFER wired for home use etc, but on the go I just can’t use anything but my AirPods for comfort). I think it’s also an ease of use thing for me too, as I LOVE that I can go for that run, come home, take a shower WITH THEM, to rinse off, then sit down with my steam deck and they are already connected without me doing a thing. I think I’m just spoiled by the ease of use the more I type about this honestly.
If you find yourself having a good run with them, have at it, don’t let anyone yuck your yum.
I just want to be given the possibility of making the choice I think it’s best for my use cases
I don’t think anyone’s claiming that wireless headphones do not have their place, instead that there’s no reason not to have the option to use wired headphones on a phone because they’re much more reliable and durable than wireless.
I’m with you. I still use my 3.5mm jack daily. I’ve got some cheap PC stereo speakers next to my bed, so I can listen to stuff to fall asleep to. They suck for music, but are just fine for audiobooks for instance.
I gotta say, I love my AirBuds sooooo much. I only use my nice cans on my computer anymore.
That’s a different use case though. Falling asleep with cheap speakers is a much better idea than big speakers… My partner and I leave shows or long VODs on to sleep, and even with the bass all the way down, sometimes I feel like it’s a bit distracting.
You’re onto something—I should snag us a pair of 2.0 speakers and just switch to those for sleep. Then we wouldn’t have to adjust the sub all the time.
When you land in your 30’s the warm feeling that makes you crave for a better world becomes a seething anger towards those who make this world harder to realize.
And you either take it out on strangers on the internet or become Ted Kaczynski
Because 3.5mm is an already existent audio standard that is not only for cell phones but for sound instruments in general, because all my earphones and earbuds are 3.5mm and because I’d like to listen to music while the phone is plugged in and charging
Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.
He didn’t create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative “medicine” at least, Steve.
I’m actually not an admirer of mr. Jobs either, should have clarified that.
I just found amusing such amount of anger, like something personal is involved
No, I just don’t like when the do nothing capitalists, living or dead, take credit for the work and technical achievements of people that actually provide something of worth to humanity. People should think of rooms of engineers toiling and exhausted factory workers when they think about how their iphone was made, not Donald Trump in a turtleneck and jeans blustering about the magic phone he made.
I’m still bitter that Samsung delayed the release of their PCIe 4.0 SSDs because Sony was buying up all their NAND stock, only for them to be sold to scalpers.
What was with 90s and early 2000s marketing having a thing for hamsters? I remember Quiznos had a hamster commercial too, and I think Scion (Toyota?) did too. Why hamsters?
That’s the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft
Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online
Sony also didn’t like it that companies bought PS3s in bulk and used them as cheap compute power. They sell the consoles at a loss but make that up on game sales and licensing. Someone buying them and not gaming is cutting into their profit.
No.
Sony didn’t like otherOS because geohot used it in his first exploit.
That is all
Not a coincidence that they removed it shortly after geos findings ;)
With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.
Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.
I can’t find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It’s somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.
It’s all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there’s anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.
Expandable storage does not compromise waterresistance. If a phone with a Sim card slot can be IP68 rated, then a phone with a combo sim/SD card slot can as well.
Nice, noted! Then that’s not an issue. My only issue then would be the speed of the storage. Not a big issue on my iPad as I don’t use it for much, but running stuff and even going through pictures on my phone would be a nightmare (…which is my fault for having 15k pictures on it and not clearing it out i. Years…)
If you have problems with going through pictures, it’s not the storage speed problem, that’s for sure. Even the slowest sd card is fast enough to load a picture in human speeds
I’ve once seen a poll on Reddit where Android was leading with ~60% against Apple with ~40% but idk how trustworthy those polls are since they rely on user input instead of concrete OS data gathering and it was ofc a subreddit poll so it just reached a small group of Redditors
Um, what? Apple makes shitty design decisions to manipulate their consumer base. These regulations prevent them from doing that. These regulations mean the consumers win. Apple still has branded braindead consumers, but at least they went be able to scam them on batteries headphones and chargers as easily.
These changes go against Apple’s business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers “don’t buy 3rd party stuff. It isn’t made well and won’t work on our incredible phones”. Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.
Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it’s actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it’s going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don’t have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.
I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung’s decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.
As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.
I will never understand 1/8” jack wanters. Why not just get a dongle? If you want to listen and charge at the same time get one with passthrough. If you’re using a $500 pair of headphones use a good dac.
As the owner of probably a dozen pairs of nice corded headphones, what’s the big deal?
I’m actually with you there. I switched to bt headphones in part to get rid of my coiled up corded headphone pocket. You can’t carry anything else with em or else it’s a fiasco getting it out (and in the process tears up your cord).
How would it not be?
-I don’t need a dongle that I can lose. (You might never use your earphones with another device, but I do, so the dongle will need to get unplugged from the earphones at some point)
-I can use earphones at the same time as charging.
-A dongle is one more thing that can break.
-I’m not stressing a port with something that it really wasn’t meant for
Also, when I have a headphone jack, I still have the option to use a dongle or bluetooth, so nothing is lost by having the port
so true, I won’t switch phone anytime soon, as my S10 still has the headphone jack and I dont want to buy new headphones for 70€+ just because their batteries are dying. (Also it is still running great)
Unpopular opinion here:
I don’t mind the Non-replaceable battery. Since battling my phone addiction, it holds up strong.
I use the iPhone 14 Pro.
Half a year ago I’d have charged it by my lunch break because it would’ve dropped to 20%. Now I’m typing this with 92% battery remaining.
I also don’t care about the charging port. Yes, it sucks, but if it wasn’t for the headphone jack adapter I would not use it. I’ve been using induction charging ever since the first Galaxy Fold.
Okay, I agree with that shops stuff.
What I really care about is the right of repairability. You can’t use things from another iPhone because in their database they have to manually remove the screen/battery/camera/cable/whatever from your phone and add the serial number of the new part.
Like, if I order (overpriced) replacement parts for my iPhone 14 and I use those parts to repair a friend‘s iPhone 14, that fucking piece of shit throws and error unless some magical fuckery of a workaround is made.
Naive question, how did you battle your phone addiction in simple terms?
I found myself using my phone a lot more after the pandemic (from 1.45-ish to 3-ish daily) and I hate myself - less than 1h would be more than enough for healthy usage in my case :(
I did it by accident actually. I stopped social media because I just never used it that much, not even lurking.
I use a lot of Adblock, even YouTube still gets blocked on my phone if I open it via the browser, so I use this to open YouTube. I got a new number this January. In February I deleted my cookies. Google sends a code to your phone via message, if not, you a code a month later via mail.
Haven’t used YouTube since.
And then came the Reddit stuff and no more Apollo and there goes that.
I use it now for Duolingo and music and Melvor Idle
I don’t use socials apart from occasionally Mastodon (which is interestingly not addictive, thanks to the chronological/honest UX!) and Insta, which I open in the browser to check what people write me and log out from afterwards.
I also use YT in the browser, because the app is such an offensive blend of addiction patterns. Sadly Chrome for Android (willingly?) removed Chromecast support from web-based YT (…it was there years ago, iirc?)
Also, I disabled notifications for non-urgent apps, and took a redundant online/offline approach to essential things (e.g. calendar, notes and so on) to be sure I don’t need to pull out my phone all the time. Nonetheless, I find myself using it a lot more than it used to be, which is quite sad
Oh those notifications! I totally forgot about them!
I use an Apple Watch for some years now (got a cheap series 0, and later a cheap series 4 which I still use)
This helped me a lot! I get the notifications, it vibrates, I take a quick look and, most of the time, just delete it because it is unnecessary.
It got so annoying that I uninstalled apps and removed notifications for others lol
I don’t thing legislating them is the right thing to do. Politicians are not technologists, nor do they have any insight into future product roadmaps.
Without regulations we’d have child labour. Companies only care about profit, and will do their best to get that, and gladly sacrifice customer satisfaction and employee health as far as they believe they can get away with it.
Without regulations companies and employers would screw over their customers and employees left and right. We know this because that’s the reality we live in today.
I agree that politicians tend to be both technologically inept and slow as hell to act, but currently that’s the lesser evil.
I’d also that 3rd party app stores provide less consumer choice. Right now I have the choice of a platform with a walled garden or one with 3rd party app stores. The EU is trying to take away that choice.
This makes no sense. You can opt out of third party stores on both platforms. Adding a choice will never take something away.
Well, no. The app store will come preinstalled on all phones still, meaning as a developer it’s in your interest to publish on the first-party store if you want as wide an audience as possible. It might be true that some apps will migrate away from the app store because of Apple’s draconian and unresponsive review system, but that’s really on them. I don’t think most people will though.
It does also open up for things like Microsoft’s Game Stream to get an official non-browser app, since Apple currently prohibits that from launching on the app store due to it not meeting their regulatory standards.
Feel like that’s a bit comparing apples to oranges. Apps weren’t originally acquired through some store on Macs, that’s a fairly novel thing. There were package managers and such before that but you’d more or less always get software from the vendor. Disregarding that the original iPhones didn’t have apps, as long as apps have been a thing they’ve always come from the app store.
Sure you can root it and get apps from Cydia and whatnot (if that’s still around) but I really don’t think many apps will migrate away, at least not fully. Users are lazy, and installing a separate app store or getting an app elsewhere is too much work for some. I don’t think you and I fall into that category given the platform we’re having this conversation on, but the fediverse is “too unapproachable” for a lot of people, even tech savvy ones, because you can’t simply download an app and sign up.
I’m in favour of third party app stores (or just the ability to install apps through the browser, no store attached) simply because I’m miffed my Apple TV cannot run Xbox Game Stream.
Yeah the iPhone was definitely out a bit too early with aiming for webapps. Now the tools and APIs are really mature so webapps are more of an option, but back then? Goodness I dread to think.
Not being 16, I have different priorities and I like that there is an option in the market that serves those priorities rather well.
I feel this, and it’s in large parts why I chose to swap from Android to iOS when I got fed up with manually fixing my OnePlus One back in 2020. I spent 8 hours a day working with tech as it is, I don’t want to spend my free-time tweaking Linux or flashing ROMs to my phone.
Time will tell how the third party app stores will turn out, if they turn out at all that is. Apple might still find a way to severely limit them, like restricting API access to apps not installed through the first party app store, or something similar.
“Everything must have USB-C” sounds great right now, but what about when it gets old and slow or something better comes a long that is worth the switch… we have to wait for the EU to tell everyone it’s ok and make a transition plan for the whole industry?
The entire point of the USB-C thing is so there is a standard charging port across all mobile devices. I doubt this is some sort of attempt at regulating the technology itself. If something faster comes along then it will organically become the new industry standard, just as every other USB charging port up to this point(e.g micro USB, mini USB). Apple is the outlier because they’ve kept their proprietary charging port for years, for the sole purpose of being able to set their own price for cables, dongles, etc… and preventing people from buying cheaper 3rd party options.
For profit company’s aren’t “technologists” either. The non removable battery’s aren’t there for the consumers benefits, they are there to take more control over the repair market … and make more profit. Not to be more techy.
The EU is not saying “companies should use USB-C”, they are saying “the industry should agree on a connector, and all should use that”.
They went to the companies that are key players in the market and asked “what connectors do you think should be used right now?”, and the companies said “USB-C”, so that’s what it’s used.
If in the future a better connector appears and the industry wants to change to it, they have to tell the EU “Now we want to use connector XYZ”, and that will be what everybody use. The standard is set by the industry, not the EU.
The EU knows what it’s doing. They don’t claim to know better than the industry. They just want the industry to do things that favor the consumer, not screw them to favor themselves…
American consumers are used at being screwed by companies that only see for the benefit of their shareholders. It doesn’t matter if the consumer has to spend more, or produce more waste. That’s not how the EU want things. Consumers and the environment are a priority here, not only shareholders returns.
If the EU knows what it’s doing, why are they only using phone OSes from US based companies? I’d argue that they don’t know what they are doing at all considering they have made extremely little contribution to the space and yet want to regulate those products. Imagine the kind of trash they would have to use if the US companies pulled out of the EU.
You’re talking about technological advancements, I’m talking about market regulation and the environment. If the price for technological advances is to let companies pollute and destroy the Earth, I don’t want it, sorry. I prefer a slower pace, but not destroy the only planet we have. And I’m saying this from a record braking temperatures summer. And I’m not even mentioning other things we do differently in the EU, because if we start comparing, it becomes rather unfair, and i’m not looking to humiliate people.
And I’m not saying those changes are necessarily negative, I’m saying that the EU is overreaching when they contribute very little at this point. And if you really want to talk about how you “do things differently”, without the US you’d all be using PutinPhones in 2030 and have no environmental regulations at all lol.
If you’re worried about the environment you should be looking at industrial waste from China, not Apple phones.
That’s the difference. You think the EU is “overreaching”. I think the EU is putting necessary regulations to companies that are prone to cross the line again and again.
That Volkswagen cheats in the emission tests? Here comes the EU sanctions. That Meta spies on people without letting them know? Start paying the fines! That Google abuses its privilege position to eliminate competition? Behave or pay the price. The EU keeps companies in line, and as a result, we have a healthier market. That’s how things are done here…
And please, don’t mention Putin. Our tanks and weapons are used in Ukraine as well as the American ones. NATO is a thing, you know?
Because if it’s done right, a single USB-C charger and cable is all you’ll need, instead of 2 or three different chargers. You buy less things, less trash out there polluting the environment. And it’s not like Apple hasn’t made you throw charging cables before… remember the 30-pin connector?
The fact that you need to buy a special cable to connect an iPhone to a MacBook (for example) should be a motivation enough for the change.
Apple has moved most of their products to USB-C, except the iPhone, and the only explanation possible is that using Lighting is profitable for them, even if it’s not convenient for users. Not all iPhone users are Mac users, and as you said, there are more iPhone users than mac users. All those iPhone users (and Mac users that use iPhones) are forced to buy cables from Apple or an authorized MFi manufacturer) that money will be gone with USB-C, as you’ll be able to use any cable brand you want.
On my part, I’m glad they’re being forced to do it. They seem more worried on incrementing their pile on money than doing something that may benefit their customers, in this case. So, good riddance lightning cables! You won’t be missed. And thanks EU, for doing it.
Lightning was better that the 30-pin one. Or maybe the first iterations of USB-C. These days, USB-C is way more capable, technically, than Lightning, and that’s why the industry use it so massively (even Apple for other products).
They don’t charge it because it will only benefit consumers, but not the company. And they only care for things that benefit them, irregardless of it benefiting the customers.
Apple makes as much good and reasonable decisions as they make questionable ones.
But why could that be? Simple, they make what interest and benefits THEM first. And if it incidentally benefits the customers, fine. If not, people will go up in arms, but they don’t care because they know that in the end, they’re powerless and will keep buying their products.
They don’t care if customers have to change accessories (the move to Lightning is the proof), they change things, or use new standards as long as it benefits THEM in any way, or is in their interest. All those changes you mentioned benefited THEM, and in some cases, the customers too, but in others, they didn’t and then customers got upset.
And they simply don’t want to change to USB-C on the iPhone because it’s not beneficial for them, it just benefits the customers. And that’s, in my opinion, all that there’s to it. And again, I’m glad that, for a change, they’ll be forced to do something that benefits the customers and not them.
USB c is what almost everyone except for Apple has kind of agreed on anyways (except for parts the notebook market and some older tech that still uses micro usb for some reason)
It’s not like in 2004, where Sony Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola and so on each had their own plugs…
And take a look at the PC market, where USB has been a thing since 1996 (I definitely did not have to google that *cough cough) ofc the plug evolved, but the design stayed the same so that you can plug 27 year old usb peripherals into your new shiny gaming PC. And I’ve had phones with USB c since 2016/17, so that has also been around for quite a while now.
About the 3rd party apps I can say: you are always free to stay within the “walled garden”. Not just on Apple, but on Android as well.
If it wasn’t for privacy I wouldn’t need 3rd party stores at all as Google Play features almost every (legal) Android app in existence. 3rd party apps give me the opportunity to choose between a big tech store and a community open source alternative. Having store monopoly increases the risk of dictating “agreements” & levies to app devs who need to submit to get their software to the end user.
I actually do have devices that old. The connector and communications protocol outlived the drivers. It’ll be recognized as some sort of USB device, but I can never use it without a VM running an ancient guest OS.
Actually, no, I’ve never owned a Samsung, lol 😂. HTC, then Asus, then another Asus, then Xiaomi, and now another Xiaomi.
Samsung or Apple, that’s mostly a US thing. In Europe, we use whatever we can, Moto, Xiaomi, Samsung, Asus, Honor, Vivo, TCL… whatever the operator offers that has the best performance vs. price value 😂.
Eastern Europe to be more exact… but I have talked to people from Western Europe, most of them take whatever the operator offers and is a good compromise between price and performace. Currently, Xiaomi seem like the best choice regarding this and stability/reliability.
My point, it’s it’s a downgrade for most people and you can replace the battery at a shop for$10 in labor (or dyi should you choose) if you want to keep the phone.
And then their market share will even go lower. Apple has a great market share, but only in the US. Europeans mostly use Android devices. Except for the Swedish, don’t know what’s up with them, but they love Apple devices.
Yeah, you’re right about that. Some people see it as a religion here as well… status symbol if you will. But, as you said, those people will still buy Apple devices, even if they sell 5, 10 times higher.
I’m talking about the people that use Apple devices because… well, it was maybe on sale or their provider offered it on a 2 year plan, whtever. They will most likely shift from Apple if prices went through the roof. Sure, they like having an Apple device, but not at all costs.
I would looooove iMessage to be an option on my computers and my friends’ Android phones. Signal is great, but iMessage is so super clean. I love that I can have E2E encrypted chats from my laptop to my friends’ phones.
People complain about BuBbLe CoLouRs without even knowing what it means… iMessage is legitimately amazing. 100% get it to other platforms, Apple!
Oh do I have some good news for you then. The end of the summer a few platforms are slated to launch an iMessage on Android app.
Sunbird is the big one that is getting a large amount of coverage and sells itself as E2E for iMessage (we’ll see at launch as it’s in beta right now).
Beeper is another one that’s an aggregation messenger similar to what signal originally was, but is also supposed to allow iMessage instead of its own alternative, as well as still being usable for text/RCS messaging.
I’m not working for either of these companies, I just have a significant other with an iPhone who always complains about my messages being green, and so I did some research into ways to fix it a few months ago and found both of these to be the promising fixes that don’t require self hosting a server (funny seeing as this is lemmy, kinda the theme here). I’ve kept it under wraps from them to be a huge surprise when it launchs and all of a sudden they can’t complain/talk about the platform superiority anymore.
Sunbird is somewhat suspicious to me because of the “we won’t open source because it’s less secure”. Makes me wonder what godawful nightmare their app is if they don’t want to let people look. Oh and if they’re doing it as a business decision I don’t want anything to do with them either as it’s still vendor lock in.
Something that I haven’t seen mentioned on this topic:
having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.
This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.
We’re not necessarily talking about “pop the back open and slam a new one in” batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.
That’s the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.
According to a draft version of the ecodesign regulation on the EU’s website, batteries should be replaceable “with no tool, a tool or set of tools that is supplied with the product or spare part, or basic tools.”
But when Apple ships the replacement battery with the Apple self service tools that they have today. Would that even change something for the iPhone? The amount of expertise is questionable.
I’m daydreaming about potential feature and sell point some manufacturers may adapt to bring this regulation further into a win-win for themselves and customers. So yes, essentially bring me 3310 back :)
Actually, since battling my phone addiction, my battery holds up the whole day.
I use an iPhone 14 Pro, right now I’m 6 hours in my work day, currently on a break, typing this with 92% remaining.
Half a year ago I’d have charged it by now because it would have had less than 20%.
Not on modern-ish devices. The battery controller already does it for you and shows you 100% when it is not physically at 100%. Plus, lithium polymer batteries are not as affected by this issue as older battery types. This is an old myth basically.
The battery in our devices (including the iPhone 14 Pro that the person I replied to has) are Lithium-ion and absolutely severe from this. BMS and other system like the kernel and OS do report for a different value of battery but they do not diverge from the physical level this much.
The further from 100% you can stop charging the better, 60% being an even better rule.
Polymer batteries does not mean anything in itself, but the common part is they still are Lithium-ion and need to be treated the same way
Please stop spreading false information, even more when answering someone, and furthermore when this misinformation is dangerous for the climate you depend on
Fair enough, but the difference is not that much considering that you have to charge your phone more often if you stop halfway. Plus, devices are so power hungry these days, you need that extra % to last the day sometimes. Still, we can all agree that batteries will fail and should be swappable. They can be recycled almost in full. EU is doing good on this one.
Sorry for being defensive
You are right we have to charge them more often which can be a burden but it’s still best for the battery chemistry. It should not come to 1% charge-discharge though, but cycle between 30-80 is great.
It’s true that in the end we need more and more those extra pourcentage so another reason to treat our batteries right from the start so that they keep their full capacity longer.
And completely agree that all constructors should let us repair our phones, including swappable battery from home
I don’t think you have to be scared about this, it’s rare. Just don’t let it deplete itself too often (>20% for daily use and a full discharge/charge once every two weeks to recalibrate) and don’t expose it to low and high temperatures
I mean its gpod enough,no? Tp be able to force apple to not use proprietary charging. And i assume data will also be a thing on their products, whether or not it uses the full speed capabilities of usb c dpesnt seem to matter.
“USB-C” really only means “that flat oval shaped connector” and absolutely nothing more. The plug and cable and connected devices define what USB standard is used. You can deliver anything from “charging only USB 2.0 low power” to USB 4 with 240 W charging and 80Gbps data transfer including 8K@60 DisplayPort tunneling via USB-C.
Yes, USB-C only describes the physical connector, but unless Apple somehow insists on giving users a more shitty experience when using USB-C they are kind of forced to support a reasonable standard for data transfer and charging. We probably won’t get 240W charging or anything close, but we also won’t see a degradation compared to lightning.
Last I read was that apple was going to throttle their usb-c ports being used with non-apple blessed cables. And those cables are supposed to be pretty spendy, as they’re going to be “apple taxed”, <cough> I mean certified as apple is calling it. I hope the EU puts the smack down on them for trying to create such a loophole in interoperability requirements.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. It’s pretty much the definition of unfair competition, I mean Apple makes cables and artificially hampers competitors cables unless they pay some money?
Maybe the fines are too low so far if they test us like that.
It’s also a proprietary standard that needs to be licensed. They’ve basically handed the USB organization a complete monopoly over smartphones. I know there is no suitable open source option that can replace USB but it’s still far from ideal. Maybe for the next step in furtherance of hardware freedom we should also be funding the development of a proper open source alternative, or campaign for USB to be open sourced.
You just said it means nothing, then explained what it means. Why is it unfortunate that apple will need to put UBC C on the single device that still doesn’t have it FROM THEIR OWN LINEUP.
Don’t be salty because we’ve got a working democracy ¯\(ツ)/¯ sure, it isn’t perfect, but it’s not all about the money here. Being a politician on that level already pays quite nicely without being bought by a company or two. And voters have a lot of power over who gets into the EU parliament, so a lot of them really do represent the common folks.
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DO MANDATORY 3.5mm JACK NOW
The number of times and situation I’ve wished I had wired earbuds. And this is someone who generally uses wireless headphones. The fact that they removed it in the first place is bs
Yes. Also I need a SCSI connector. Do that obsolete piece of shit as well.
Also a legacy 25 pin serial port, you never know when it’d come in handy
You mean parralel port right? I need to be able to drive 8 LEDs without any additional drivers.
I mean we can have both serial and parallel interfaces. Also two ps/2 ports because I want to be able to plug both a mouse and a keyboard.
And a dedicated true ADC game port. This shit was lit.
I’d love a Parallel port—I still have my ZIP drive!
25 pin serial is a thing
FULL FLEDGED 40-GPIO-PIN LIKE A RASPBERRY PI
Fuck that. Do 16-lane PCIe gen 5 instead
OPEN MOTHERBOARD SO I CAN SOLDER RANDOM SHIT
+a beefed up amplifier otherwise little point.
THE PERSON THAT DOWNVOTED THIS DESERVES THEIR AIRPODS TO RUN OUT OF BATTERY DURING A 12 HOUR FLIGHT SITTING NEXT TO A CHILD AND THEIR CHATTY NO-VAX-MAKING-MY-OWN-BREAD-LOOK-AT-THE-PICTURES-OF-MY-C-SECTION-DELIVERY MOTHER
Jeeez
It takes 5 minutes at most to get another hour of playback from my headset. You do not need a headphone jack in this day an age, and I say this as an avid music listener. Also ANC won’t work if your battery is dead most of the time, so having a wired option is not that useful for your flight
IT TAKES 0 SECONDS TO HAVE ∞ HOURS OF PLAYBACK FOR MY HEADSET.
Talking seriously, I really hate that everything in this day and age has to come with a battery: it’s a useless waste of resources.
When you buy a good set of cabled earphones it will be good for life (I used my AudioTechnica M50 for more than 10 years and only had to change the cable once), wireless you’ll have to throw them away when the batteries will eventually die (in 3 years on average).
E-waste is a serious issue, if you want to go green, go cable <3
Okay so I go running quite often, no phone on me, just my watch (which is on my wrist) and my AirPods.
How does your setup work in my regard? Because I genuinely don’t see a way to go cabled for it without changing how I do things, and having a cable running to my watch is just stupid.
(I do use wired headphones whenever I’m at home because we all know it’s better at a fundamental level) but let’s be honest AirPods have their place.
Dude…
Yeah I realize my comment came off as argumentative and isn’t really how I meant it, I more so meant I can’t see a way for me to use a wired set without changing how comfortable my run currently is. (Again, I do PREFER wired for home use etc, but on the go I just can’t use anything but my AirPods for comfort). I think it’s also an ease of use thing for me too, as I LOVE that I can go for that run, come home, take a shower WITH THEM, to rinse off, then sit down with my steam deck and they are already connected without me doing a thing. I think I’m just spoiled by the ease of use the more I type about this honestly.
If you find yourself having a good run with them, have at it, don’t let anyone yuck your yum.
I just want to be given the possibility of making the choice I think it’s best for my use cases
I don’t think anyone’s claiming that wireless headphones do not have their place, instead that there’s no reason not to have the option to use wired headphones on a phone because they’re much more reliable and durable than wireless.
I’d get a DAP in that case. But yeah that’s the only annoying thing about wired.
Because air pod is not my only headset
But you can have a DAC to plug them in then, which probably will sound better than your phone’s
That’s why you carry two sets of Airpods on a 12 hour flight. /s
I’m with you. I still use my 3.5mm jack daily. I’ve got some cheap PC stereo speakers next to my bed, so I can listen to stuff to fall asleep to. They suck for music, but are just fine for audiobooks for instance.
I wish I had a 3.5mm jack :( wired is better quality at the end of the day.
My phone came with a USB-3.5mm adapter but I never end up using it.
I’d be fine with the lack of the port if they at least gave us 2 USB-C ports so I could charge and listen without a splitter.
I’m surprised their isn’t a phone case with a built in DAC and 3.5 tbh.
I gotta say, I love my AirBuds sooooo much. I only use my nice cans on my computer anymore.
That’s a different use case though. Falling asleep with cheap speakers is a much better idea than big speakers… My partner and I leave shows or long VODs on to sleep, and even with the bass all the way down, sometimes I feel like it’s a bit distracting.
You’re onto something—I should snag us a pair of 2.0 speakers and just switch to those for sleep. Then we wouldn’t have to adjust the sub all the time.
Need more of this energy in my life
When you land in your 30’s the warm feeling that makes you crave for a better world becomes a seething anger towards those who make this world harder to realize.
And you either take it out on strangers on the internet or become Ted Kaczynski
Based. Also your writing style is great. Reminds me of those old “THIS IS A MOTHER FUCKING WASP” memes
Ahah thanks, but I am not based.
I’m just sour and acid, pH3 as in my name
Why would you not use a usb-c headset?
Quite a high chance that your phone will also run out of battery on a 12 hour flight.
Joke’s on you, I’ll be able to change my phone battery
All of them suck.
This is a very funny joke that several people didn’t get.
Because 3.5mm is an already existent audio standard that is not only for cell phones but for sound instruments in general, because all my earphones and earbuds are 3.5mm and because I’d like to listen to music while the phone is plugged in and charging
Playing devil’s advocate here, but there’s spillters for that.
“Just use a dongle lol”
Already answered here
3.5 works everywhere else and I prefer my headphones to work with my audio gear. The inflight entertainment on Delta uses 3.5 for example.
Reminder: Steve Jobs was a non-engineer, non-designer Marketing guy who was famously against charity and refused to pay child support despite being mega rich.
He didn’t create the I-anything. He took what talented people did and made himself the face of it. He was a bad dude, a model capitalist, and the world is better for his preventable, self-inflicted early demise. Thanks for being into alternative “medicine” at least, Steve.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.
He went to Switzerland to try the proton therapy to cure cancer. When you know how expensive it’s, he could help a lot of people.
Elon Musk is a wannabe Steve Jobs, it all makes sense.
You sound like if Steve Jobs fucked your mom and never called her back X’D
If I slap you there’s a non-zero chance Steve Job’s cock falls out of your mouth.
I’m actually not an admirer of mr. Jobs either, should have clarified that.
I just found amusing such amount of anger, like something personal is involved
No, I just don’t like when the do nothing capitalists, living or dead, take credit for the work and technical achievements of people that actually provide something of worth to humanity. People should think of rooms of engineers toiling and exhausted factory workers when they think about how their iphone was made, not Donald Trump in a turtleneck and jeans blustering about the magic phone he made.
I mean, it’s pretty damn low though.
User expandable/replaceable storage, please.
There’s no reason whatsoever that a 2TB iPad should cost £1250 more than a 128GB one. I put an extra 2TB in my PS5 the other week for under £100.
I’m still bitter that Samsung delayed the release of their PCIe 4.0 SSDs because Sony was buying up all their NAND stock, only for them to be sold to scalpers.
Honestly one of my favorite things about my ps5. I can appreciate the small repair moves, but I’d still appreciate „Other OS” being brought back.
They officially supported that aswell, then they quietly stopped the way Kia left the furry community
Whatcha mean about Kia and the furry community? A quick search has failed me.
Their mascot used to be hamsters.
What was with 90s and early 2000s marketing having a thing for hamsters? I remember Quiznos had a hamster commercial too, and I think Scion (Toyota?) did too. Why hamsters?
This was the mid 2010s
That’s the reason back in 2013 or so I switched to PS3 for my main gaming. MS wanted a shitload for a tiny ass 360 hard drive, but with Sony it came with a 250GB drive out the gate and I replaced it with a 1TB for less than the 250 from Microsoft
Of course, I switched to PC because Sony got greedy again with no mp3s on the system, trying to make me re-buy games I already had, and charging for online
OtherOS is never coming back, it gives too much freedom to probe at the hardware and find security exploits.
Sony also didn’t like it that companies bought PS3s in bulk and used them as cheap compute power. They sell the consoles at a loss but make that up on game sales and licensing. Someone buying them and not gaming is cutting into their profit.
No. Sony didn’t like otherOS because geohot used it in his first exploit. That is all Not a coincidence that they removed it shortly after geos findings ;)
I have a 512gb micro SD card in my phone… you just need to avoid the premium phones then you have options
With phones and tablets I can understand, honestly. Soldered-in insanely fast storage space is quite expensive. Only recently a 2TB NVMe drive (much slower than what’s in an iPad) came down to reasonable prices. 1k+ is still a hella overcharge, but for the type memory it is, I can understand it being more than a standard NVMe.
Expanded storage slots would be great, too… but slow as shit I’d it’s SD. Are iPads waterproof? If not, then that’s not an issue, but if they are, I could see that being a problem as well.
I can’t find any evidence that the inbuilt iPad Pro SSD is faster than modern NVMe SSDs. It’s somewhere between 1 and 3 GB/s depending on the model. The Crucial P5 I got ran quite happily in the PS5 at about 5GB/s.
It’s all very much a muchness for the kind of loads that iPads will typically be handling anyway. I doubt there’s anything that can process data fast enough to make the SSD the bottleneck.
I’m not knowledgeable enough to explain, but it something about the bus between the CPU and the SSD that makes it so ridiculous.
Super good point on the “iPad isn’t gonna be doing much/anything that NEEDS that speed” though. Most people aren’t editing 4k video or whatever on it.
Huh?brother nvme are faster…
Expandable storage does not compromise waterresistance. If a phone with a Sim card slot can be IP68 rated, then a phone with a combo sim/SD card slot can as well.
Nice, noted! Then that’s not an issue. My only issue then would be the speed of the storage. Not a big issue on my iPad as I don’t use it for much, but running stuff and even going through pictures on my phone would be a nightmare (…which is my fault for having 15k pictures on it and not clearing it out i. Years…)
If you have problems with going through pictures, it’s not the storage speed problem, that’s for sure. Even the slowest sd card is fast enough to load a picture in human speeds
Also, why can professional cameras have expendable storage? Recording videos and burst mode for example needs fast storage.
Ironic since I’d wager most of social media users have apple phones
I’ve once seen a poll on Reddit where Android was leading with ~60% against Apple with ~40% but idk how trustworthy those polls are since they rely on user input instead of concrete OS data gathering and it was ofc a subreddit poll so it just reached a small group of Redditors
What’s the irony? It’s the Apple users that the EU is protecting here.
No way that’s true. Most social media users are in Asia and Africa where Android is King!
Exactly. Worldwide market share of Apple devices was around 18-20% if I remember correctly.
Apple isn’t losing here. Eu is forcing them to make better phones.
Um, what? Apple makes shitty design decisions to manipulate their consumer base. These regulations prevent them from doing that. These regulations mean the consumers win. Apple still has branded braindead consumers, but at least they went be able to scam them on batteries headphones and chargers as easily.
Exactly the eu regulations force Apple to make better phones.
Apple didn’t get big by producing quality hardware.
That’s arguable but the biggest selling point for apple is the plug and play environment and ease of use.
Definitely fuck apple but the got some of it right.
These changes go against Apple’s business model and practices. Forcing USB C will mean they will probably try to add some bullshit software check to their plug in devices so 3rd party hardware makers will once again be shut out. These practices allow Apple to tell their current consumers “don’t buy 3rd party stuff. It isn’t made well and won’t work on our incredible phones”. Will that get struck down in the EU again? Probably. Will they make a few billion dollars before it does? Absolutely.
Apple has purposefully avoided moving towards industry standards so they can keep everything in their control. For better or worse, it’s actually one if the biggest strengths of Apple products. I know if I buy an iPhone, it’s going to work great (until the battery goes), and any of their add on parts are also going to work great because they don’t have to design drivers for the 400 different options out there. But that same practice inherently leads to these sort of anti-consumer decisions. Where a decision goes from keeping-in-their-wheelhouse to have-them-by-the-balls.
I will never forgive them for killing the headphone jack—but I at least understand the business model behind it. Samsung’s decision to follow suit likewise makes sense.
As for the other manufacturers who jumped on the bandwagon for no reason other than that they saw the big kids do it—handicapping their devices with what is to many a dealbreaker issue, without offering their own line of wireless earbuds / headphones to capitalize off of—I can feel only pity and disdain.
I will never understand 1/8” jack wanters. Why not just get a dongle? If you want to listen and charge at the same time get one with passthrough. If you’re using a $500 pair of headphones use a good dac.
As the owner of probably a dozen pairs of nice corded headphones, what’s the big deal?
A dongle is one more thing to buy/break/get lost.
I’m actually with you there. I switched to bt headphones in part to get rid of my coiled up corded headphone pocket. You can’t carry anything else with em or else it’s a fiasco getting it out (and in the process tears up your cord).
Yeah why would I want the clearly superior option instead of bandaid solutions…
What’s superior about not using a dongle?
Back when that was how I went around, the break point in the cable saved me a few times.
How would it not be? -I don’t need a dongle that I can lose. (You might never use your earphones with another device, but I do, so the dongle will need to get unplugged from the earphones at some point) -I can use earphones at the same time as charging. -A dongle is one more thing that can break. -I’m not stressing a port with something that it really wasn’t meant for
Also, when I have a headphone jack, I still have the option to use a dongle or bluetooth, so nothing is lost by having the port
I always just put it in my pocket. They make passthrough charging dongles, never had an issue with one.
How do you plug something not designed for your port into it though?
so true, I won’t switch phone anytime soon, as my S10 still has the headphone jack and I dont want to buy new headphones for 70€+ just because their batteries are dying. (Also it is still running great)
Unpopular opinion here: I don’t mind the Non-replaceable battery. Since battling my phone addiction, it holds up strong. I use the iPhone 14 Pro. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by my lunch break because it would’ve dropped to 20%. Now I’m typing this with 92% battery remaining. I also don’t care about the charging port. Yes, it sucks, but if it wasn’t for the headphone jack adapter I would not use it. I’ve been using induction charging ever since the first Galaxy Fold. Okay, I agree with that shops stuff.
What I really care about is the right of repairability. You can’t use things from another iPhone because in their database they have to manually remove the screen/battery/camera/cable/whatever from your phone and add the serial number of the new part. Like, if I order (overpriced) replacement parts for my iPhone 14 and I use those parts to repair a friend‘s iPhone 14, that fucking piece of shit throws and error unless some magical fuckery of a workaround is made.
Naive question, how did you battle your phone addiction in simple terms?
I found myself using my phone a lot more after the pandemic (from 1.45-ish to 3-ish daily) and I hate myself - less than 1h would be more than enough for healthy usage in my case :(
Certainly not a naive question!
I did it by accident actually. I stopped social media because I just never used it that much, not even lurking. I use a lot of Adblock, even YouTube still gets blocked on my phone if I open it via the browser, so I use this to open YouTube. I got a new number this January. In February I deleted my cookies. Google sends a code to your phone via message, if not, you a code a month later via mail. Haven’t used YouTube since. And then came the Reddit stuff and no more Apollo and there goes that.
I use it now for Duolingo and music and Melvor Idle
Similar here lately :)
I don’t use socials apart from occasionally Mastodon (which is interestingly not addictive, thanks to the chronological/honest UX!) and Insta, which I open in the browser to check what people write me and log out from afterwards.
I also use YT in the browser, because the app is such an offensive blend of addiction patterns. Sadly Chrome for Android (willingly?) removed Chromecast support from web-based YT (…it was there years ago, iirc?)
Also, I disabled notifications for non-urgent apps, and took a redundant online/offline approach to essential things (e.g. calendar, notes and so on) to be sure I don’t need to pull out my phone all the time. Nonetheless, I find myself using it a lot more than it used to be, which is quite sad
Oh those notifications! I totally forgot about them!
I use an Apple Watch for some years now (got a cheap series 0, and later a cheap series 4 which I still use)
This helped me a lot! I get the notifications, it vibrates, I take a quick look and, most of the time, just delete it because it is unnecessary. It got so annoying that I uninstalled apps and removed notifications for others lol
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Without regulations we’d have child labour. Companies only care about profit, and will do their best to get that, and gladly sacrifice customer satisfaction and employee health as far as they believe they can get away with it.
Without regulations companies and employers would screw over their customers and employees left and right. We know this because that’s the reality we live in today.
I agree that politicians tend to be both technologically inept and slow as hell to act, but currently that’s the lesser evil.
This makes no sense. You can opt out of third party stores on both platforms. Adding a choice will never take something away.
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Well, no. The app store will come preinstalled on all phones still, meaning as a developer it’s in your interest to publish on the first-party store if you want as wide an audience as possible. It might be true that some apps will migrate away from the app store because of Apple’s draconian and unresponsive review system, but that’s really on them. I don’t think most people will though.
It does also open up for things like Microsoft’s Game Stream to get an official non-browser app, since Apple currently prohibits that from launching on the app store due to it not meeting their regulatory standards.
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Feel like that’s a bit comparing apples to oranges. Apps weren’t originally acquired through some store on Macs, that’s a fairly novel thing. There were package managers and such before that but you’d more or less always get software from the vendor. Disregarding that the original iPhones didn’t have apps, as long as apps have been a thing they’ve always come from the app store.
Sure you can root it and get apps from Cydia and whatnot (if that’s still around) but I really don’t think many apps will migrate away, at least not fully. Users are lazy, and installing a separate app store or getting an app elsewhere is too much work for some. I don’t think you and I fall into that category given the platform we’re having this conversation on, but the fediverse is “too unapproachable” for a lot of people, even tech savvy ones, because you can’t simply download an app and sign up.
I’m in favour of third party app stores (or just the ability to install apps through the browser, no store attached) simply because I’m miffed my Apple TV cannot run Xbox Game Stream.
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Yeah the iPhone was definitely out a bit too early with aiming for webapps. Now the tools and APIs are really mature so webapps are more of an option, but back then? Goodness I dread to think.
I feel this, and it’s in large parts why I chose to swap from Android to iOS when I got fed up with manually fixing my OnePlus One back in 2020. I spent 8 hours a day working with tech as it is, I don’t want to spend my free-time tweaking Linux or flashing ROMs to my phone.
Time will tell how the third party app stores will turn out, if they turn out at all that is. Apple might still find a way to severely limit them, like restricting API access to apps not installed through the first party app store, or something similar.
The entire point of the USB-C thing is so there is a standard charging port across all mobile devices. I doubt this is some sort of attempt at regulating the technology itself. If something faster comes along then it will organically become the new industry standard, just as every other USB charging port up to this point(e.g micro USB, mini USB). Apple is the outlier because they’ve kept their proprietary charging port for years, for the sole purpose of being able to set their own price for cables, dongles, etc… and preventing people from buying cheaper 3rd party options.
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For profit company’s aren’t “technologists” either. The non removable battery’s aren’t there for the consumers benefits, they are there to take more control over the repair market … and make more profit. Not to be more techy.
It’s all about market control/money.
Maybe you should try reading what’s proposed…
The EU is not saying “companies should use USB-C”, they are saying “the industry should agree on a connector, and all should use that”.
They went to the companies that are key players in the market and asked “what connectors do you think should be used right now?”, and the companies said “USB-C”, so that’s what it’s used.
If in the future a better connector appears and the industry wants to change to it, they have to tell the EU “Now we want to use connector XYZ”, and that will be what everybody use. The standard is set by the industry, not the EU.
The EU knows what it’s doing. They don’t claim to know better than the industry. They just want the industry to do things that favor the consumer, not screw them to favor themselves…
American consumers are used at being screwed by companies that only see for the benefit of their shareholders. It doesn’t matter if the consumer has to spend more, or produce more waste. That’s not how the EU want things. Consumers and the environment are a priority here, not only shareholders returns.
If the EU knows what it’s doing, why are they only using phone OSes from US based companies? I’d argue that they don’t know what they are doing at all considering they have made extremely little contribution to the space and yet want to regulate those products. Imagine the kind of trash they would have to use if the US companies pulled out of the EU.
You’re talking about technological advancements, I’m talking about market regulation and the environment. If the price for technological advances is to let companies pollute and destroy the Earth, I don’t want it, sorry. I prefer a slower pace, but not destroy the only planet we have. And I’m saying this from a record braking temperatures summer. And I’m not even mentioning other things we do differently in the EU, because if we start comparing, it becomes rather unfair, and i’m not looking to humiliate people.
And I’m not saying those changes are necessarily negative, I’m saying that the EU is overreaching when they contribute very little at this point. And if you really want to talk about how you “do things differently”, without the US you’d all be using PutinPhones in 2030 and have no environmental regulations at all lol.
If you’re worried about the environment you should be looking at industrial waste from China, not Apple phones.
That’s the difference. You think the EU is “overreaching”. I think the EU is putting necessary regulations to companies that are prone to cross the line again and again.
That Volkswagen cheats in the emission tests? Here comes the EU sanctions. That Meta spies on people without letting them know? Start paying the fines! That Google abuses its privilege position to eliminate competition? Behave or pay the price. The EU keeps companies in line, and as a result, we have a healthier market. That’s how things are done here…
And please, don’t mention Putin. Our tanks and weapons are used in Ukraine as well as the American ones. NATO is a thing, you know?
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Because if it’s done right, a single USB-C charger and cable is all you’ll need, instead of 2 or three different chargers. You buy less things, less trash out there polluting the environment. And it’s not like Apple hasn’t made you throw charging cables before… remember the 30-pin connector?
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The fact that you need to buy a special cable to connect an iPhone to a MacBook (for example) should be a motivation enough for the change.
Apple has moved most of their products to USB-C, except the iPhone, and the only explanation possible is that using Lighting is profitable for them, even if it’s not convenient for users. Not all iPhone users are Mac users, and as you said, there are more iPhone users than mac users. All those iPhone users (and Mac users that use iPhones) are forced to buy cables from Apple or an authorized MFi manufacturer) that money will be gone with USB-C, as you’ll be able to use any cable brand you want.
On my part, I’m glad they’re being forced to do it. They seem more worried on incrementing their pile on money than doing something that may benefit their customers, in this case. So, good riddance lightning cables! You won’t be missed. And thanks EU, for doing it.
The other explanation for lightning on the phone is that it’s a better connector for a phone.
It’s simpler, easier to clean, more durable and is designed to break the cable instead of the phone when twisted or bent.
Lightning was better that the 30-pin one. Or maybe the first iterations of USB-C. These days, USB-C is way more capable, technically, than Lightning, and that’s why the industry use it so massively (even Apple for other products).
They don’t charge it because it will only benefit consumers, but not the company. And they only care for things that benefit them, irregardless of it benefiting the customers.
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Apple makes as much good and reasonable decisions as they make questionable ones.
But why could that be? Simple, they make what interest and benefits THEM first. And if it incidentally benefits the customers, fine. If not, people will go up in arms, but they don’t care because they know that in the end, they’re powerless and will keep buying their products.
They don’t care if customers have to change accessories (the move to Lightning is the proof), they change things, or use new standards as long as it benefits THEM in any way, or is in their interest. All those changes you mentioned benefited THEM, and in some cases, the customers too, but in others, they didn’t and then customers got upset.
And they simply don’t want to change to USB-C on the iPhone because it’s not beneficial for them, it just benefits the customers. And that’s, in my opinion, all that there’s to it. And again, I’m glad that, for a change, they’ll be forced to do something that benefits the customers and not them.
Hope that clears the point.
I do agree on this, the EU doesn’t just blindly fly out with a proposal, they actually do research before they plan on passing anything.
USB c is what almost everyone except for Apple has kind of agreed on anyways (except for parts the notebook market and some older tech that still uses micro usb for some reason)
It’s not like in 2004, where Sony Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola and so on each had their own plugs…
And take a look at the PC market, where USB has been a thing since 1996 (I definitely did not have to google that *cough cough) ofc the plug evolved, but the design stayed the same so that you can plug 27 year old usb peripherals into your new shiny gaming PC. And I’ve had phones with USB c since 2016/17, so that has also been around for quite a while now.
About the 3rd party apps I can say: you are always free to stay within the “walled garden”. Not just on Apple, but on Android as well.
If it wasn’t for privacy I wouldn’t need 3rd party stores at all as Google Play features almost every (legal) Android app in existence. 3rd party apps give me the opportunity to choose between a big tech store and a community open source alternative. Having store monopoly increases the risk of dictating “agreements” & levies to app devs who need to submit to get their software to the end user.
I actually do have devices that old. The connector and communications protocol outlived the drivers. It’ll be recognized as some sort of USB device, but I can never use it without a VM running an ancient guest OS.
Fuck forcing me to have a shitty battery. God awful bullshit.
It wouldn’t be shitty. Essentially, it will be the same battery, but the phone will just be bulkier.
Same (or better). Remember the aftermarket Galaxy S5 batteries that had increased capacity?
Actually, no, I’ve never owned a Samsung, lol 😂. HTC, then Asus, then another Asus, then Xiaomi, and now another Xiaomi.
Samsung or Apple, that’s mostly a US thing. In Europe, we use whatever we can, Moto, Xiaomi, Samsung, Asus, Honor, Vivo, TCL… whatever the operator offers that has the best performance vs. price value 😂.
Huh. Seems to only be me that buys phone in store then. EU too. I’m on Apple, but my family is a mix of Apple and Samsung.
Eastern Europe to be more exact… but I have talked to people from Western Europe, most of them take whatever the operator offers and is a good compromise between price and performace. Currently, Xiaomi seem like the best choice regarding this and stability/reliability.
A fatter phone is shitty. You really want to split hairs there.
Depends on your kinks I guess, I happen to like BBWs 🤣.
To each their own I suppose 🤣
My point, it’s it’s a downgrade for most people and you can replace the battery at a shop for$10 in labor (or dyi should you choose) if you want to keep the phone.
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And then their market share will even go lower. Apple has a great market share, but only in the US. Europeans mostly use Android devices. Except for the Swedish, don’t know what’s up with them, but they love Apple devices.
I know at least 5 plebs who’d still purchase Apple devices even if they increased their prices by 100 bucks
Yeah, you’re right about that. Some people see it as a religion here as well… status symbol if you will. But, as you said, those people will still buy Apple devices, even if they sell 5, 10 times higher.
I’m talking about the people that use Apple devices because… well, it was maybe on sale or their provider offered it on a 2 year plan, whtever. They will most likely shift from Apple if prices went through the roof. Sure, they like having an Apple device, but not at all costs.
There’s some people who’s probably be more likely to buy it after a price increase. Kinda curious if the top end models are veblen goods.
Yeah likely, not as if they needed to stay competitive with such a loyal fanbase
Now hit em again with a FaceTime on other platforms and finish off with an iMessage on Android!
I would looooove iMessage to be an option on my computers and my friends’ Android phones. Signal is great, but iMessage is so super clean. I love that I can have E2E encrypted chats from my laptop to my friends’ phones.
People complain about BuBbLe CoLouRs without even knowing what it means… iMessage is legitimately amazing. 100% get it to other platforms, Apple!
Oh do I have some good news for you then. The end of the summer a few platforms are slated to launch an iMessage on Android app.
Sunbird is the big one that is getting a large amount of coverage and sells itself as E2E for iMessage (we’ll see at launch as it’s in beta right now).
Beeper is another one that’s an aggregation messenger similar to what signal originally was, but is also supposed to allow iMessage instead of its own alternative, as well as still being usable for text/RCS messaging.
I’m not working for either of these companies, I just have a significant other with an iPhone who always complains about my messages being green, and so I did some research into ways to fix it a few months ago and found both of these to be the promising fixes that don’t require self hosting a server (funny seeing as this is lemmy, kinda the theme here). I’ve kept it under wraps from them to be a huge surprise when it launchs and all of a sudden they can’t complain/talk about the platform superiority anymore.
Sunbird is somewhat suspicious to me because of the “we won’t open source because it’s less secure”. Makes me wonder what godawful nightmare their app is if they don’t want to let people look. Oh and if they’re doing it as a business decision I don’t want anything to do with them either as it’s still vendor lock in.
Something that I haven’t seen mentioned on this topic:
having a spare charged battery with you also have so much more sense than carrying a powerbank. No losses transferring power to phone, no excessive heat, MUCH lighter.
This is what we have for radios (walkie-talkies), drones, cameras, but not for phones, where we really need this.
We’re not necessarily talking about “pop the back open and slam a new one in” batteries a la Nokia 3310, but rather being able to replace a battery at the end of its lifecycle without special expertise and tools, but still, with some amount of effort required.
That’s the requirement at least, but companies are of course free to choose either approach.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/24/23771064/european-union-battery-regulation-ecodesign-user-replacable-batteries
But when Apple ships the replacement battery with the Apple self service tools that they have today. Would that even change something for the iPhone? The amount of expertise is questionable.
Thank you for clarification and context.
I’m daydreaming about potential feature and sell point some manufacturers may adapt to bring this regulation further into a win-win for themselves and customers. So yes, essentially bring me 3310 back :)
God damn people here are fucking civil and understanding
I feel like I’m on Reddit in the late ‘00s again.
Actually, since battling my phone addiction, my battery holds up the whole day. I use an iPhone 14 Pro, right now I’m 6 hours in my work day, currently on a break, typing this with 92% remaining. Half a year ago I’d have charged it by now because it would have had less than 20%.
You should not charge more than 70-80% to preserve the battery
Not on modern-ish devices. The battery controller already does it for you and shows you 100% when it is not physically at 100%. Plus, lithium polymer batteries are not as affected by this issue as older battery types. This is an old myth basically.
The battery in our devices (including the iPhone 14 Pro that the person I replied to has) are Lithium-ion and absolutely severe from this. BMS and other system like the kernel and OS do report for a different value of battery but they do not diverge from the physical level this much. The further from 100% you can stop charging the better, 60% being an even better rule. Polymer batteries does not mean anything in itself, but the common part is they still are Lithium-ion and need to be treated the same way Please stop spreading false information, even more when answering someone, and furthermore when this misinformation is dangerous for the climate you depend on
On Li-ion polymere batteries (from your message): https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-206-lithium-polymer-substance-or-hype
General information on how to prolong Li-ions: https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
Fair enough, but the difference is not that much considering that you have to charge your phone more often if you stop halfway. Plus, devices are so power hungry these days, you need that extra % to last the day sometimes. Still, we can all agree that batteries will fail and should be swappable. They can be recycled almost in full. EU is doing good on this one.
Sorry for being defensive You are right we have to charge them more often which can be a burden but it’s still best for the battery chemistry. It should not come to 1% charge-discharge though, but cycle between 30-80 is great.
It’s true that in the end we need more and more those extra pourcentage so another reason to treat our batteries right from the start so that they keep their full capacity longer.
And completely agree that all constructors should let us repair our phones, including swappable battery from home
I just realized that the only reason I noticed my old phones’ battery swelling was that the back cover is removable and got pushed out.
Now I’m terrified of my current aluminium unibody.
I don’t think you have to be scared about this, it’s rare. Just don’t let it deplete itself too often (>20% for daily use and a full discharge/charge once every two weeks to recalibrate) and don’t expose it to low and high temperatures
Unfortunately “USB-C” means nothing. It just describes what type of connector to use.
I mean its gpod enough,no? Tp be able to force apple to not use proprietary charging. And i assume data will also be a thing on their products, whether or not it uses the full speed capabilities of usb c dpesnt seem to matter.
“USB-C” really only means “that flat oval shaped connector” and absolutely nothing more. The plug and cable and connected devices define what USB standard is used. You can deliver anything from “charging only USB 2.0 low power” to USB 4 with 240 W charging and 80Gbps data transfer including 8K@60 DisplayPort tunneling via USB-C.
Still better than: “Can you borrow me your charging cable? Oh, you got USB-C. Well shit!”
What annoys me is when people say “Do you have an iPhone charger?” when really they mean a cable.
Almost as bad as people calling USB-B a “printer cable”.
I use USB-B all the time (fightsticks) and still call them printer cables lmao
Yes, USB-C only describes the physical connector, but unless Apple somehow insists on giving users a more shitty experience when using USB-C they are kind of forced to support a reasonable standard for data transfer and charging. We probably won’t get 240W charging or anything close, but we also won’t see a degradation compared to lightning.
Last I read was that apple was going to throttle their usb-c ports being used with non-apple blessed cables. And those cables are supposed to be pretty spendy, as they’re going to be “apple taxed”, <cough> I mean certified as apple is calling it. I hope the EU puts the smack down on them for trying to create such a loophole in interoperability requirements.
Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. It’s pretty much the definition of unfair competition, I mean Apple makes cables and artificially hampers competitors cables unless they pay some money?
Maybe the fines are too low so far if they test us like that.
They won’t. The EU already addressed that and said that iPhones will be banned if they try that.
https://www.inferse.com/617457/eu-warns-apple-about-limiting-speeds-of-uncertified-usb-c-macrumors/
That reeks of anti-trust, so much so I think the US would even jump in on that action.
It’s also a proprietary standard that needs to be licensed. They’ve basically handed the USB organization a complete monopoly over smartphones. I know there is no suitable open source option that can replace USB but it’s still far from ideal. Maybe for the next step in furtherance of hardware freedom we should also be funding the development of a proper open source alternative, or campaign for USB to be open sourced.
You just said it means nothing, then explained what it means. Why is it unfortunate that apple will need to put UBC C on the single device that still doesn’t have it FROM THEIR OWN LINEUP.
At least the EU protects consumers’ rights, which is a breath of fresh air and it is something to be appreciated. Not going to lie.
Are they objectively doing this to help consumers though, or is there another reason and it just so happens to benefit consumers.
They are doing it to help consumers and protect the environment by forcing modularity and recyclable components.
Sure buddy. EU politicians are just absolute saints compared to the rest of the world, and there’s nothing in it for them. Jesus.
Don’t be salty because we’ve got a working democracy ¯\(ツ)/¯ sure, it isn’t perfect, but it’s not all about the money here. Being a politician on that level already pays quite nicely without being bought by a company or two. And voters have a lot of power over who gets into the EU parliament, so a lot of them really do represent the common folks.
If I could replace my government with the EU, I would not hesitate.
Let’s hope it stays that way, now that Fiona Scott Morton was appointed “Chief Economist of EU’s Directorate-General for Competition”.
Especially in contrast to the US who completely stopped pretending to support consumers.
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